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Post by overboost on Jun 30, 2019 16:00:55 GMT -8
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Post by struns on Jun 30, 2019 16:23:17 GMT -8
Will you a least spell "Spider" right?
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Post by Dzufast on Jun 30, 2019 16:32:37 GMT -8
Great, now explain to us why Max wasn't penalized today but Nico was for this... IIRC, the penalty on Rosberg was, in part, influenced by the fact he did not turn in until way past the apex on purpose (he was going slow enough to have done so). Therefore it was considered "purposeful" whereas with Max it was incidental; both cars were driving to the limits to make that corner. It's the difference between sliding into someone or driving into someone. And Vettel, IIRC, was penalized because he had left the track and rejoined in an unsafe manner. The fact that he was off the track was the primary issue in the ruling. Very different than this situation IMHO. I didn't even consider it the same and neither does the FIA. Nico was penalized for not leaving space. Let's see what Max thought about it at the time... www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10518519/nico-rosberg-unhappy-with-german-gp-penalty-for-verstappen-clashNo, it was for not leaving a space after he regained control, the stewards said so in their report. The point is the inconsistency. If they are not going to punish Max for this, then Vettel should not have been penalized and neither should Nico have been. Max could have left space for Leclerc to stay on track.
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Post by turn8 on Jun 30, 2019 16:41:17 GMT -8
Most of the comments here seem to blame the stewards for either not enforcing the rules as written or for being inconsistent. Isn't the real solution to change the rules? I believe the driver making the overtake the already has the responsibility to make the pass safely. How about simply letting the stewards, who should all have recent experience in the same class of racing, determine if an incident is a racing incident or not. If not then the penalty if any would be decided by the Race Director. Also, just to be more controversial, why not remove, or at least significantly raise the pit lane speed limit... this would significantly reduce the penalty for making a stop and likely increase the number of two or more stop races. I know this was introduced for safety reasons but everyone n that pit lane is a professional and should not need a nanny to look after them. Oh, and finally ... bring back the grass and gravel traps... i am sick of hearing about track limit violations... if F1 drivers can race around Monaco they most certainly know how to drive within the track limits when they have to. Disagree with the middle paragraph. You are talking life and death here. It's still dangerous enough to satisfy your 'survival of the fittest' approach without turning it into Death Race 2000.
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Post by jmjgt on Jun 30, 2019 16:41:18 GMT -8
Rosberg got a five second penalty for this in 2016. Same thing. Max must suffer zee punishment. Rosberg cited the same example on his YouTube channel thins morning, consistency demands a penalty.
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Post by jmjgt on Jun 30, 2019 16:53:47 GMT -8
You mean a <cough> Fiat 124 I did say "LOW BUDGET" Trying to keep an old Fiat on the road ain't a low budget affair.
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Post by jmjgt on Jun 30, 2019 17:02:00 GMT -8
Great, now explain to us why Max wasn't penalized today but Nico was for this... IIRC, the penalty on Rosberg was, in part, influenced by the fact he did not turn in until way past the apex on purpose (he was going slow enough to have done so). Therefore it was considered "purposeful" whereas with Max it was incidental; both cars were driving to the limits to make that corner. It's the difference between sliding into someone or driving into someone. And Vettel, IIRC, was penalized because he had left the track and rejoined in an unsafe manner. The fact that he was off the track was the primary issue in the ruling. Very different than this situation IMHO. I didn't even consider it the same and neither does the FIA. Max didn't go anywhere near the apex either, what that gave him a pass on was that he never turned the wheel BACK until he hit the exit. That's the thing they bagged Vettel on in Canada leaving out the possibility he was very likely counter steering due to the grass and dirt on his tires.
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Post by hst4me on Jun 30, 2019 17:59:32 GMT -8
TLDR.....so we got fucked again.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 18:13:36 GMT -8
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jun 30, 2019 19:16:14 GMT -8
Max blew through the apex and straightened the wheel slightly from full right. He had seen Charles hang on the outside a couple laps before and wasn't going to let that happen again. It was intentional, but if he were my driver I would not want him penalized. PS ... conceded the corner? Somebody get a urine sample from Hill, he's high as a kite. LeClerc was punted by Max who was 4 feet off the apex to do so. lol
PPS ... penalizing Max would not set a bad example. If a driver is only penalized the spot he took illegally and no more, he has nothing to lose by trying for it.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 30, 2019 19:39:06 GMT -8
Should F1 be racing or a parade?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 19:45:23 GMT -8
Should F1 be racing or a parade? Or: A roller derby, like NASCAR.
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Post by o on Jun 30, 2019 22:27:21 GMT -8
Will you a least spell "Spider" right? Why? I'm not Italian. I'm not lacking a Y in my ALPHAbet. Besides the title doesn't say SpIder or SpYder. It says SPID. That just seems größe, gross, grōzī, grose.
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 1, 2019 3:04:14 GMT -8
IIRC, the penalty on Rosberg was, in part, influenced by the fact he did not turn in until way past the apex on purpose (he was going slow enough to have done so). Therefore it was considered "purposeful" whereas with Max it was incidental; both cars were driving to the limits to make that corner. It's the difference between sliding into someone or driving into someone. And Vettel, IIRC, was penalized because he had left the track and rejoined in an unsafe manner. The fact that he was off the track was the primary issue in the ruling. Very different than this situation IMHO. I didn't even consider it the same and neither does the FIA. Nico was penalized for not leaving space. Let's see what Max thought about it at the time... www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/10518519/nico-rosberg-unhappy-with-german-gp-penalty-for-verstappen-clashNo, it was for not leaving a space after he regained control, the stewards said so in their report. The point is the inconsistency. If they are not going to punish Max for this, then Vettel should not have been penalized and neither should Nico have been. Max could have left space for Leclerc to stay on track. If you just don't want to believe then I guess I will not convince you
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Post by struns on Jul 1, 2019 6:12:00 GMT -8
Why? I'm not Italian. I'm not lacking a Y in my ALPHAbet. Besides the title doesn't say SpIder or SpYder. It says SPID. That just seems größe, gross, grōzī, grose.
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Post by Dzufast on Jul 1, 2019 6:37:57 GMT -8
If you just don't want to believe then I guess I will not convince you I don't know what I was supposed to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 7:42:57 GMT -8
You will believe what "The Authorities" at FIA say!
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Post by Pistola on Jul 1, 2019 7:43:42 GMT -8
No further action.
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Post by Dzufast on Jul 1, 2019 8:57:28 GMT -8
You will believe what "The Authorities" at FIA say! I reject your reality and substitute my own!
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Post by olderguysrule on Jul 1, 2019 10:07:19 GMT -8
You will believe what "The Authorities" at FIA say! I reject your reality and substitute my own! ^^ We are the FIA. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
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