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Post by o on Jun 30, 2019 11:23:07 GMT -8
Maybe, just maybe, after this season the FIA will seriously consider installing a permanent set of stewards for every race. The present system can only be described as "quaint". How nice. Your "quant" = Cluster Fuck! ys..
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Post by o on Jun 30, 2019 11:27:10 GMT -8
That's okay, no one believed you anyway... I resemble that too... Not because of Dzu... Hell I even bought a low budget Ferrari project. Ya know to quite those hot types...
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Post by Dzufast on Jun 30, 2019 11:27:27 GMT -8
Yes, especially when you consider this, Rosberg getting 5 secs for the exact same thing. Maybe the FIA should keep incidents like that on video file so the stewards can refer to them to see precedent. Still, none of us like seeing wins taken away. Perhaps the answer is instead of a penalty today when there isn't time to impose it on track, to just give them a grid spot penalty next race and a points reduction. They do need to prevent drivers from just pushing their way past. Sounds like you have been watching too much NASCAR. Sounds like you don't give a shit about the rules as long as you get a thrill. Maybe you've been watching too much demolition derby.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 30, 2019 11:29:27 GMT -8
So some people are more upset that consistency wasn't kept over awesome wheel to wheel to wheel racing being allowed today? Yes, because when the rules are applied arbitrarily in the end everyone loses. The FIA has been arbitrary since the day it was formed.
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Post by montybriscoe on Jun 30, 2019 11:53:32 GMT -8
Sounds like you have been watching too much NASCAR. Sounds like you don't give a shit about the rules as long as you get a thrill. Maybe you've been watching too much demolition derby. Hey now, demolition derbies are kind of fun to watch. I generally support and enjoy good, hard wheel to wheel racing, not parades (which is what F1 has mostly become). What I witnessed today was well within the rules of engagement. Check out the last couple of laps between Villeneuve and Arnoux at Dijon in 1979. If conducted today, how many 5 second penalties should have been handed out to them?
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Post by montybriscoe on Jun 30, 2019 11:57:39 GMT -8
See all season, people bitch that F1 is boring and predictable then you finally get a crazy exciting and off the hook race, not won by a Mercedes, and........you all still bitching! 🤣
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Post by flyingdoc on Jun 30, 2019 11:57:55 GMT -8
Most of the comments here seem to blame the stewards for either not enforcing the rules as written or for being inconsistent. Isn't the real solution to change the rules? I believe the driver making the overtake the already has the responsibility to make the pass safely. How about simply letting the stewards, who should all have recent experience in the same class of racing, determine if an incident is a racing incident or not. If not then the penalty if any would be decided by the Race Director. Also, just to be more controversial, why not remove, or at least significantly raise the pit lane speed limit... this would significantly reduce the penalty for making a stop and likely increase the number of two or more stop races. I know this was introduced for safety reasons but everyone n that pit lane is a professional and should not need a nanny to look after them.
Oh, and finally ... bring back the grass and gravel traps... i am sick of hearing about track limit violations... if F1 drivers can race around Monaco they most certainly know how to drive within the track limits when they have to.
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Post by struns on Jun 30, 2019 12:02:36 GMT -8
Hell I even bought a low budget Ferrari project. Ya know to quite those hot types... You mean a <cough> Fiat 124
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Post by Zytes on Jun 30, 2019 12:06:47 GMT -8
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Post by Dzufast on Jun 30, 2019 12:12:21 GMT -8
See all season, people bitch that F1 is boring and predictable then you finally get a crazy exciting and off the hook race, not won by a Mercedes, and........you all still bitching! 🤣 We had a crazy exciting race in Canada and we bitched, so unlike the FIA, we are being consistent. No one is bitching about the "exciting race", we're bitching about the stewards. You can't say "we're so glad to finally see some excitement that we forget the rules". Do they leave space or not leave space? If they are going to let them race, let them always race, not just occasionally.
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Post by Dzufast on Jun 30, 2019 12:13:56 GMT -8
Check out the last couple of laps between Villeneuve and Arnoux at Dijon in 1979. If conducted today, how many 5 second penalties should have been handed out to them? That's the entire point that you are missing. If they are going to let them race like that, they have to allow it all the time.
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Post by Pistola on Jun 30, 2019 12:14:01 GMT -8
Aw hell. Chuck got passed. Trying to hide it didn't work.
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Post by Dzufast on Jun 30, 2019 12:17:20 GMT -8
Aw hell. Chuck got passed. No one is saying he didn't. The point is, next race if someone passes in the same manner, will they be penalized? At this point no one knows.
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Post by Dzufast on Jun 30, 2019 12:19:11 GMT -8
Great, now explain to us why Max wasn't penalized today but Nico was for this...
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Post by struns on Jun 30, 2019 12:20:54 GMT -8
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Post by o on Jun 30, 2019 12:21:26 GMT -8
Hell I even bought a low budget Ferrari project. Ya know to quite those hot types... You mean a <cough> Fiat 124 I did say "LOW BUDGET"
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Post by struns on Jun 30, 2019 12:25:15 GMT -8
You mean a <cough> Fiat 124 I did say "LOW BUDGET" Extremely
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Post by o on Jun 30, 2019 12:49:13 GMT -8
I did say "LOW BUDGET" Extremely That's a Pininfarina Spyder to you...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 13:15:29 GMT -8
Maybe, just maybe, after this season the FIA will seriously consider installing a permanent set of stewards for every race. The present system can only be described as "quaint". Yep, exactly! They need a race control like Indy Car. The same guys travel to and officiate every race. You don't have a different "guest steward" at each race. You don't have Emmanuel Pirro at one race, Tom Kristensen at another, Derek Warwick at another, etc. Where and who, exactly is "Race Control" now? I thought They appointed a replacement for Charlie W?
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Post by Placid on Jun 30, 2019 13:20:27 GMT -8
Celebration once again in Miami.
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