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Post by mmi16 on Mar 21, 2022 6:58:52 GMT -8
RB with fuel pump issues, but what was Gasley's issue with his fire.
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 21, 2022 7:32:15 GMT -8
RB with fuel pump issues, but what was Gasley's issue with his fire. Was his car on fire when it first died? The onboard showed loss of power and all electrical (steering screen when blank) so he parked it. But was it on fire at that point or did it catch after he stopped and things were hot? I never saw video that indicated if the car caught on fire so it died or if it died and then caught on fire with residual heat. |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 21, 2022 7:33:01 GMT -8
...Speaking of the dying Red Bulls, I saw that RB was blaming the FIA issued fuel pumps. Morons on Twitter and and other social media platforms said that it was because RB tampered with them, which is pretty much impossible. Interesting how they were the only cars to have issues though. They weren't the only team, the FIA allowed all team to inspect their fuel systems in parc ferme and some teams swapped out pumps after qualifying. They were the only team who had issues in the race. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 21, 2022 7:51:22 GMT -8
They weren't the only team, the FIA allowed all team to inspect their fuel systems in parc ferme and some teams swapped out pumps after qualifying. They were the only team who had issues in the race. Thanks Captain Obvious. RedBull didn’t change their pumps. Other teams did. |
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Post by Pistola on Mar 21, 2022 8:03:44 GMT -8
RB with fuel pump issues, but what was Gasley's issue with his fire. His Kers unit failed. The kers is cooled by an electrical grade oil which caught on fire after the failure. |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 21, 2022 8:06:53 GMT -8
They were the only team who had issues in the race. Thanks Captain Obvious. RedBull didn’t change their pumps. Other teams did. Not a good strategy. Earlier you demanded precision in statements so I was trying to be precise. |
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Post by Pistola on Mar 21, 2022 8:10:39 GMT -8
They were the only team who had issues in the race. They didn’t change their pumps. Other teams did. It appears now that most teams only inspected their fuel systems. No pumps were noted as being changed under parc ferme anyway. It also seems that Marko said it was the pumps while Horner wasn't sure that was the case and today the reports are none of the pumps failed. Maybe higher temps in the cars during the SC, new fuel, = a type of vapor lock.  www.autosport.com/f1/news/how-a-standard-part-might-have-stopped-the-red-bulls-in-bahrain/9187820/ |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 21, 2022 8:19:26 GMT -8
Thanks Captain Obvious. RedBull didn’t change their pumps. Other teams did. Not a good strategy. Earlier you demanded precision in statements so I was trying to be precise. Fine. So what exactly is your point of being precise when that fact is well known? Do you have something to add? |
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Post by Pistola on Mar 21, 2022 8:25:12 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 21, 2022 8:45:23 GMT -8
^ Yes. It's a pretty common problem with race cars that pull high G forces.
What I want to know is what is the systemic issue that had the FIA make the unusual move of allowing all the teams to inspect their fuel systems while in parc ferme? And it is related to RudBull's failures?
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 21, 2022 8:47:34 GMT -8
Not a good strategy. Earlier you demanded precision in statements so I was trying to be precise. Fine. So what exactly is your point of being precise when that fact is well known? Do you have something to add? What I stated was exactly correct. I was being precise in clarifying the comment. Maybe people had problems with fuel pumps in testing. Maybe they had problems last year. So I wanted to be more precise; they were the only ones who had this problem in the race. Which is not the same as testing. If others had issues and changed out then that makes RB look stupid for not having changed theirs out. On we go. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 21, 2022 8:48:14 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 21, 2022 8:49:36 GMT -8
Fine. So what exactly is your point of being precise when that fact is well known? Do you have something to add? What I stated was exactly correct. I was being precise in clarifying the comment. Maybe people had problems with fuel pumps in testing. Maybe they had problems last year. So I wanted to be more precise; they were the only ones who had this problem in the race. Which is not the same as testing. If others had issues and changed out then that makes RB look stupid for not having changed theirs out. On we go. The comment didn't need clarification. We're in the race thread, everybody here saw what happened and knows what happened. Enough devils advocate merry-go-round. Do you have some new information to add? Of course you don't. |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 21, 2022 9:10:13 GMT -8
What I stated was exactly correct. I was being precise in clarifying the comment. Maybe people had problems with fuel pumps in testing. Maybe they had problems last year. So I wanted to be more precise; they were the only ones who had this problem in the race. Which is not the same as testing. If others had issues and changed out then that makes RB look stupid for not having changed theirs out. On we go. The comment didn't need clarification. We're in the race thread, everybody here saw what happened and knows what happened. Enough devils advocate merry-go-round. Do you have some new information to add? Of course you don't. Well when I mentioned that an engine blowing up and the fuel system failing was functionally the same I meant "for this race" not the entire season or their testing strategy for next year. So there I was in the race thread pointing out that functionally, for that race, it made no difference if the engine actually blew up or just stopped running, and you brought in the season-long implications, to which I was not referring. See? So having learned that lesson I wanted to be more precise. Thank you for your patience. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 21, 2022 9:23:49 GMT -8
The comment didn't need clarification. We're in the race thread, everybody here saw what happened and knows what happened. Enough devils advocate merry-go-round. Do you have some new information to add? Of course you don't. Well when I mentioned that an engine blowing up and the fuel system failing was functionally the same I meant "for this race" not the entire season or their testing strategy for next year. So there I was in the race thread pointing out that functionally, for that race, it made no difference if the engine actually blew up or just stopped running, and you brought in the season-long implications, to which I was not referring. See? So having learned that lesson I wanted to be more precise. Thank you for your patience. Do you have some new information to add? Of course you don't. |
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Post by Pistola on Mar 21, 2022 9:37:14 GMT -8
FFS. You 2 are wearing on my last Monday morning nerve. ^ Yes. It's a pretty common problem with race cars that pull high G forces. I'd suggest that the direct cause in Red Bulls case was aggressive swerving under the SC to warm the tires. So let's blame Pirelli.  |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 21, 2022 9:39:20 GMT -8
Well when I mentioned that an engine blowing up and the fuel system failing was functionally the same I meant "for this race" not the entire season or their testing strategy for next year. So there I was in the race thread pointing out that functionally, for that race, it made no difference if the engine actually blew up or just stopped running, and you brought in the season-long implications, to which I was not referring. See? So having learned that lesson I wanted to be more precise. Thank you for your patience. Do you have some new information to add? Of course you don't. Yes; Vettel might not drive this weekend. www.planetf1.com/news/sebastian-vettel-doubt-saudi-arabian-gp/ |
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Post by r60man on Mar 21, 2022 9:50:59 GMT -8
The comment didn't need clarification. We're in the race thread, everybody here saw what happened and knows what happened. Enough devils advocate merry-go-round. Do you have some new information to add? Of course you don't. Well when I mentioned that an engine blowing up and the fuel system failing was functionally the same I meant "for this race" not the entire season or their testing strategy for next year. So there I was in the race thread pointing out that functionally, for that race, it made no difference if the engine actually blew up or just stopped running, and you brought in the season-long implications, to which I was not referring. See? So having learned that lesson I wanted to be more precise. Thank you for your patience. If I was a moderator I would put you both in time out so you could get over yourselves. Seriously this is getting to be ridiculous. |
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Post by mikey on Mar 21, 2022 12:53:32 GMT -8
Speaking of the dying Red Bulls, I saw that RB was blaming the FIA issued fuel pumps. Morons on Twitter and and other social media platforms said that it was because RB tampered with them, which is pretty much impossible. Interesting how they were the only cars to have issues though. E10 fuel has been on road use for decades. Very surprised it killed two stupid fuel pumps at the same time in less than a race distance. A friend of mine swapped out the o-rings and gaskets so I could use it in my lawnmower over 10 years ago!! |
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 21, 2022 13:44:18 GMT -8
Which then begs the question - did RB start with FULL tanks or did they 'game plan' the amount of fuel on board? |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8