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Post by pushtopass on Mar 14, 2022 4:32:00 GMT -8
They've got Haas 5th. :-) I predict that Haas, Alpha Tauri, Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari, Alpine, Aston Martin, McLaren and Williams will all be in the top ten for the WCC.... That's more accurate than other guesses and probably just as meaningful :-) |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 14, 2022 5:38:40 GMT -8
They've got Haas 5th. :-) Everyone's been saying the Haas looks good, very well developed. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 14, 2022 8:38:30 GMT -8
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Post by olderguysrule on Mar 14, 2022 9:24:08 GMT -8
Will what's his name on the F1 pre season thread did a short poem or what ever last Saturday. About pre season testing form. :-) And then what happens come the first race.
Roses are red
violets are blue
Redbull or Ferrari are faster
Mercedes one two.
I guess we'll have to see in the mercs are gonna pull a rabbit out of their hat next weekend.
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 14, 2022 9:32:41 GMT -8
Will what's his name on the F1 pre season thread did a short poem or what ever last Saturday. About pre season testing form. :-) And then what happens come the first race. Roses are red violets are blue Redbull or Ferrari are faster Mercedes one two. I guess we'll have to see in the mercs are gonna pull a rabbit out of their hat next weekend. I don't see it. In the past the secret Merc sauce has often been their engine. From everything I saw and read it is the car handling that is the issue and that is not a simple "turn up the wick" fix. More power doesn't help if you are bouncing down the straights, and I don't think they are intentionally porpoising as a sandbagging effort. wewillsee |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 14, 2022 11:37:58 GMT -8
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 14, 2022 12:27:38 GMT -8
It's called being behind the rest.  Merc isn't the only team on a steep learning curve. |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 14, 2022 12:53:32 GMT -8
It's called being behind the rest.  Merc isn't the only team on a steep learning curve. When the main changes are to aero, always bet on Newey's creation to be on top of that curve. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 14, 2022 13:25:04 GMT -8
A friend of mine who I race karts with has been telling me for a year that RedBull will be the team to beat this season because Newey is the only current Technical Director who worked in F1 back when the cars were still using ground effects. Wewillsee...
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 14, 2022 14:26:12 GMT -8
A friend of mine who I race karts with has been telling me for a year that RedBull will be the team to beat season because Newey is the only current Technical Director who worked in F1 back when the cars were still using ground effects. Wewillsee... He with Harvey Postlethwaite at Fittipaldi in 1980 then went to March were he designed their March's GTP effort, after that he became Bobby Rahal's designer and race engineer at Truesports and penned the March 85C that won the 1985 CART title. I gotta say i don't understand why F1 teams aren't crawling all over current and former Indycar designers, Tony Cicale's phone should be constantly ringing. |
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Post by mikey on Mar 14, 2022 15:32:49 GMT -8
A friend of mine who I race karts with has been telling me for a year that RedBull will be the team to beat season because Newey is the only current Technical Director who worked in F1 back when the cars were still using ground effects. Wewillsee... He with Harvey Postlethwaite at Fittipaldi in 1980 then went to March were he designed their March's GTP effort, after that he became Bobby Rahal's designer and race engineer at Truesports and penned the March 85C that won the 1985 CART title. I gotta say i don't understand why F1 teams aren't crawling all over current and former Indycar designers, Tony Cicale's phone should be constantly ringing. Probably tripping over their ego's! |
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Post by Pistola on Mar 14, 2022 16:18:49 GMT -8
A friend of mine who I race karts with has been telling me for a year that RedBull will be the team to beat this season because Newey is the only current Technical Director who worked in F1 back when the cars were still using ground effects. Wewillsee... In some ways I'm reminded of '94 when the teams had to redesign because of the active suspension ban. Some teams coped better than others but the team with the most advanced active system was Williams. The Newey car designed for Williams in 94 had a number of problems from the start that took some time to resolve because they had to relearn what a non active car needed. |
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 14, 2022 17:49:34 GMT -8
Will what's his name on the F1 pre season thread did a short poem or what ever last Saturday. About pre season testing form. :-) And then what happens come the first race. Roses are red violets are blue Redbull or Ferrari are faster Mercedes one two. I guess we'll have to see in the mercs are gonna pull a rabbit out of their hat next weekend. I don't see it. In the past the secret Merc sauce has often been their engine. From everything I saw and read it is the car handling that is the issue and that is not a simple "turn up the wick" fix. More power doesn't help if you are bouncing down the straights, and I don't think they are intentionally porpoising as a sandbagging effort. wewillsee The old remedy was always to turn up the power and load on the downforce, that's not going to work this time. And i just don't buy into the whole sandbagging thing this time around either, you only do that if you have a known quality and this year EVERYTHING has changed. Any team cocky enough to play that game will end up regretting it later. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Mar 14, 2022 17:58:34 GMT -8
A friend of mine who I race karts with has been telling me for a year that RedBull will be the team to beat this season because Newey is the only current Technical Director who worked in F1 back when the cars were still using ground effects. Wewillsee... In some ways I'm reminded of '94 when the teams had to redesign because of the active suspension ban. Some teams coped better than others but the team with the most advanced active system was Williams. The Newey car designed for Williams in 94 had a number of problems from the start that took some time to resolve because they had to relearn what a non active car needed. and that year at Imola the way I remember, after a few slow laps the full on racing restarted. Senna had cold tires, as did everybody. His car bottomed out heading into Tamburello. There was no active suspension to keep things right. The car went off the track. And that was that. |
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Post by mikey on Mar 14, 2022 19:23:32 GMT -8
I don't see it. In the past the secret Merc sauce has often been their engine. From everything I saw and read it is the car handling that is the issue and that is not a simple "turn up the wick" fix. More power doesn't help if you are bouncing down the straights, and I don't think they are intentionally porpoising as a sandbagging effort. wewillsee The old remedy was always to turn up the power and load on the downforce, that's not going to work this time. And i just don't buy into the whole sandbagging thing this time around either, you only do that if you have a known quality and this year EVERYTHING has changed. Any team cocky enough to play that game will end up regretting it later. That's why I've always wished they would release sector timing for testing laps too, that way you can see that the Merc's, for example, are crushing it in sector 1 and 2 but then backing off in sector 3, or sectors 3 and 1 then backing off in sector 2 etc. I just can't see the Teams going out there at 50 or 75% power lap and thinking that will directly translate to a 90 or 100% power lap, some of the cars acting like a porpoise alone has proved they each have alot to work on. |
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Post by Pistola on Mar 15, 2022 7:30:34 GMT -8
I don't see it. In the past the secret Merc sauce has often been their engine. From everything I saw and read it is the car handling that is the issue and that is not a simple "turn up the wick" fix. More power doesn't help if you are bouncing down the straights, and I don't think they are intentionally porpoising as a sandbagging effort. wewillsee The old remedy was always to turn up the power and load on the downforce, that's not going to work this time. And i just don't buy into the whole sandbagging thing this time around either, you only do that if you have a known quality and this year EVERYTHING has changed. Any team cocky enough to play that game will end up regretting it later. I think everybody could solve their issues by using a 13" wheel.  |
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 15, 2022 9:47:47 GMT -8
The old remedy was always to turn up the power and load on the downforce, that's not going to work this time. And i just don't buy into the whole sandbagging thing this time around either, you only do that if you have a known quality and this year EVERYTHING has changed. Any team cocky enough to play that game will end up regretting it later. I think everybody could solve their issues by using a 13" wheel.  And V10's. |
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Post by mikey on Mar 15, 2022 12:41:23 GMT -8
I think everybody could solve their issues by using a 13" wheel. And V10's. And superchargers instead of turbochargers...this is RACING dammit!! |
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 15, 2022 13:00:16 GMT -8
And superchargers instead of turbochargers...this is RACING dammit!! Pistola and i were joking, the only thing that's going to fix these cars is mileage, the rest is ancient history. |
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Merc isn't the only team on a steep learning curve.
Merc isn't the only team on a steep learning curve.
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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