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Post by pushtopass on Mar 10, 2022 7:19:00 GMT -8
whinewhinewhinewhinewhine anything that is in the airflow is part of the aero design, including helmets (and wing mirrors) |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 10, 2022 10:02:26 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 10, 2022 10:05:49 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 10, 2022 10:21:52 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 10, 2022 11:27:39 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 10, 2022 11:38:27 GMT -8
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 10, 2022 11:43:49 GMT -8
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 10, 2022 12:27:10 GMT -8
It's funny how they're freely saying this is all down to the "massive" gains they saw on the sim, yet they (and a lot of the others) never saw the porpoising problems after sim and wind tunnel runs. We all remember a lot of "game changers" that went nowhere. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Mar 10, 2022 13:51:33 GMT -8
It's funny how they're freely saying this is all down to the "massive" gains they saw on the sim, yet they (and a lot of the others) never saw the porpoising problems after sim and wind tunnel runs. We all remember a lot of "game changers" that went nowhere. Some of what I've read goes like this. If the small sidepods work the gains will be massive. But apparently their porpoising today was also massive. |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 10, 2022 14:38:03 GMT -8
It's funny how they're freely saying this is all down to the "massive" gains they saw on the sim, yet they (and a lot of the others) never saw the porpoising problems after sim and wind tunnel runs. We all remember a lot of "game changers" that went nowhere. Some of what I've read goes like this. If the small sidepods work the gains will be massive. But apparently their porpoising today was also massive. Was there any indication of teams with big porpoising problems in Spain having overcome them? I saw videos of several teams bouncing down the straight in Bahrain. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 10, 2022 14:42:13 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 10, 2022 14:52:01 GMT -8
It's funny how they're freely saying this is all down to the "massive" gains they saw on the sim, yet they (and a lot of the others) never saw the porpoising problems after sim and wind tunnel runs. We all remember a lot of "game changers" that went nowhere. Some of what I've read goes like this. If the small sidepods work the gains will be massive. But apparently their porpoising today was also massive. Yes, I can see the Mercedes being quick but I can all see it being very temperamental to set up. Mercedes is using a lot of air flow trickery to deflect the front tire wake away from the rear of the car. That trickery might not work well in all conditions. Most other teams are using oversized side pods, that are mostly hollow, to deflect the air. So if they want to slim their side pods like Mercedes they can.  |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 10, 2022 15:10:36 GMT -8
That was useful, but I am surprised he didn't at least mention the results from these efforts. He talked about several schemes to "avoid porpoising" but didn't say if they seemed to work or not. Guess I will have to read more or go back to today's video. |
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 10, 2022 15:49:15 GMT -8
Some of what I've read goes like this. If the small sidepods work the gains will be massive. But apparently their porpoising today was also massive. Yes, I can see the Mercedes being quick but I can all see it being very temperamental to set up. Mercedes is using a lot of air flow trickery to deflect the front tire wake away from the rear of the car. That trickery might not work well in all conditions. Most other teams are using oversized side pods, that are mostly hollow, to deflect the air. So if they want to slim their side pods like Mercedes they can. I thought Brawn had all the bases covered in writing the new regulations???????? |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 10, 2022 16:33:18 GMT -8
Yes, I can see the Mercedes being quick but I can all see it being very temperamental to set up. Mercedes is using a lot of air flow trickery to deflect the front tire wake away from the rear of the car. That trickery might not work well in all conditions. Most other teams are using oversized side pods, that are mostly hollow, to deflect the air. So if they want to slim their side pods like Mercedes they can. I thought Brawn had all the bases covered in writing the new regulations???????? What's the problem? |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 10, 2022 16:33:25 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 10, 2022 16:34:53 GMT -8
That was useful, but I am surprised he didn't at least mention the results from these efforts. He talked about several schemes to "avoid porpoising" but didn't say if they seemed to work or not. Guess I will have to read more or go back to today's video. I don't think anyone outside the teams will know that answer until qualifying next week. |
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 10, 2022 16:35:07 GMT -8
Some of what I've read goes like this. If the small sidepods work the gains will be massive. But apparently their porpoising today was also massive. Was there any indication of teams with big porpoising problems in Spain having overcome them? I saw videos of several teams bouncing down the straight in Bahrain. Some still do, some (like McLaren) never really had a big problem. Time for a modern version of Ligier's "Clapet". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligier_JS11 |
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 10, 2022 17:05:58 GMT -8
I thought Brawn had all the bases covered in writing the new regulations???????? What's the problem? No problem - Brawn didn't anticipate all the solutions to the way he wrote the rules. He only anticipated HIS solutions. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 10, 2022 17:31:50 GMT -8
No problem - Brawn didn't anticipate all the solutions to the way he wrote the rules. He only anticipated HIS solutions. That is not entirely correct. In several interviews he said he was sure the teams would come up with things his technical staff didn’t think of. And again so what? What’s the problem? |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8