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Post by mmi16 on Dec 6, 2021 5:54:43 GMT -8
Who knew that Saudi Arabia would take the Pink Floyd quote so seriously? It also proved that narrow tracks suck and the track designers need to allow a lane for the post and pre hot lap drivers to be in so they aren't always in the way of the current on the hot lap drivers. F' tire warmers. Cold tires force drivers to drive hard fast enough to put heat into the tires to get them to working temperatures. Second, create a 'path' after S/F that drivers can use to get back to their pit without being on a 'hot' track. |
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Post by mmi16 on Dec 6, 2021 5:56:28 GMT -8
It also proved that narrow tracks suck and the track designers need to allow a lane for the post and pre hot lap drivers to be in so they aren't always in the way of the current on the hot lap drivers. I respectfully disagree. The unique nature of this circuit created a storyline and drama that couldn't be made up by Hollywood. It's perfectly dangerous for it's purpose. The means of clearing the track after a incident was beneath F1 standards. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Dec 6, 2021 5:58:32 GMT -8
It also proved that narrow tracks suck and the track designers need to allow a lane for the post and pre hot lap drivers to be in so they aren't always in the way of the current on the hot lap drivers. I respectfully disagree. The unique nature of this circuit created a storyline and drama that couldn't be made up by Hollywood. It's perfectly dangerous for it's purpose. I too enjoyed it, for me the circuit design itself was only a tiny part of the problems. The driver's inability to acknowledge that there was no runoff in most spots and that they had to be mindful in their racing was the major issue. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Dec 6, 2021 5:59:55 GMT -8
I respectfully disagree. The unique nature of this circuit created a storyline and drama that couldn't be made up by Hollywood. It's perfectly dangerous for it's purpose. The means of clearing the track after a incident was beneath F1 standards. How so? The race was fully completed within the time allowed. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Dec 6, 2021 6:18:51 GMT -8
I respectfully disagree. The unique nature of this circuit created a storyline and drama that couldn't be made up by Hollywood. It's perfectly dangerous for it's purpose. I too enjoyed it, for me the circuit design itself was only a tiny part of the problems. The driver's inability to acknowledge that there was no runoff in most spots and that they had to be mindful in their racing was the major issue. I didn't see any "problems". The track was a new challenge. Something unexpected happened. I'm overjoyed. |
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Post by boiler on Dec 6, 2021 6:22:55 GMT -8
It also proved that narrow tracks suck and the track designers need to allow a lane for the post and pre hot lap drivers to be in so they aren't always in the way of the current on the hot lap drivers. F' tire warmers. Cold tires force drivers to drive hard fast enough to put heat into the tires to get them to working temperatures. Second, create a 'path' after S/F that drivers can use to get back to their pit without being on a 'hot' track. Oh like Indycar does with their timing line..... F1 will do a version but it will be so convoluted as to make it clear they are not copying Indycar it will be 10x worse than it is now |
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Post by mmi16 on Dec 6, 2021 7:06:14 GMT -8
The means of clearing the track after a incident was beneath F1 standards. How so? The race was fully completed within the time allowed. Red Flags should only be used when the track is completely blocked. Using a Red Flag to remove a car that is simply into a wall or to remove debris are evidence of faulty track design. The use of the Virtual Safety Car to protect course marshals for simple debris removal is also BS. Sight line for both drivers and course marshals are inadequate and DANGEROUS. From a TV viewpoint, the 'up close & personal' camera locations with the quick swing in following the cars gives one vertigo in what gets displayed on the screen. |
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Post by mikey on Dec 6, 2021 7:55:07 GMT -8
It also proved that narrow tracks suck and the track designers need to allow a lane for the post and pre hot lap drivers to be in so they aren't always in the way of the current on the hot lap drivers. F' tire warmers. Cold tires force drivers to drive hard fast enough to put heat into the tires to get them to working temperatures. Second, create a 'path' after S/F that drivers can use to get back to their pit without being on a 'hot' track. Alot of tracks already have a section of track the F1 guys don't use so in some cases it wouldn't be too difficult to do an addition to get back to pitlane. |
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Post by mikey on Dec 6, 2021 7:59:02 GMT -8
How so? The race was fully completed within the time allowed. Red Flags should only be used when the track is completely blocked. Using a Red Flag to remove a car that is simply into a wall or to remove debris are evidence of faulty track design. The use of the Virtual Safety Car to protect course marshals for simple debris removal is also BS. Sight line for both drivers and course marshals are inadequate and DANGEROUS. From a TV viewpoint, the 'up close & personal' camera locations with the quick swing in following the cars gives one vertigo in what gets displayed on the screen. The problem, according to Crofty and Martin was that the 'Safer barrier was damaged' and needed a crane or backhoe or something to lift it up and put it back in place, we don't need another death in F1 because we want to 'see racing'. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Dec 6, 2021 8:03:00 GMT -8
How so? The race was fully completed within the time allowed. Red Flags should only be used when the track is completely blocked. Using a Red Flag to remove a car that is simply into a wall or to remove debris are evidence of faulty track design. The use of the Virtual Safety Car to protect course marshals for simple debris removal is also BS. Sight line for both drivers and course marshals are inadequate and DANGEROUS. From a TV viewpoint, the 'up close & personal' camera locations with the quick swing in following the cars gives one vertigo in what gets displayed on the screen. The use of red flags and VSCs yesterday was completely appropriate in every instance. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Dec 6, 2021 8:06:11 GMT -8
Yeah, his victim act sure gets tired. NOBODY gets more breaks than Lewis. Unlike Marco and Max, who whine all the time. Where was the outrage here when Max walked off the podium celebration? What a child. Lulz. OK. Nobody cries more than Merc & Lewis when shit doesn't go their way & often even when things do go their way. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Dec 6, 2021 8:07:52 GMT -8
Yep, and Lewis made zero attempt to get anywhere near the apex. Basically, if the inside car can push the other guy wide enough while keeping his car on track, he gets away with it. And it's complete horseshit. If this is the way it's gonna be, F1 is fucked, as all you'll have to do is run attacking cars right off the track. This is the point I was making in Brazil. Max just pushed Lewis off track while going off track himself and carried on. If that is allowed to happen then it's a problem. But precedence has been set, I guess. Yeah, Brazil ... but Lewis has pushed people off and gotten away with it too. There's no consistent precedent. Sometimes it gets punished. Other times it doesn't. Sometimes they penalizr the guiy forcing the other one off. Sometimes they penalize the guy who was forced off. Sometimes neither. It's all pretty arbitrary. |
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 6, 2021 8:21:12 GMT -8
This is the point I was making in Brazil. Max just pushed Lewis off track while going off track himself and carried on. If that is allowed to happen then it's a problem. But precedence has been set, I guess. Yeah, Brazil ... but Lewis has pushed people off and gotten away with it too. There's no consistent precedent. Sometimes it gets punished. Other times it doesn't, and it's all pretty arbitrary. I would love consistency and, as you mentioned earlier, I have been calling for traveling stewards as well. I assume that they don't do so because local pressures? It seems crazy that they do not. |
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Post by r60man on Dec 6, 2021 8:29:49 GMT -8
I read that stewards report and one thing is bothering me; why in the hell aren’t they hitting Hamilton for basically inattentive driving? Wasn’t he paying attention to the goddamn track? He’s a seven time WDC first Pete’s sake! I think it is difficult to anticipate a random 2.4 g braking in the middle of a straight. Sight lines there are poor because of the curve. Max was sitting smack in the middle of the track. Lewis WAS slowing down so he was paying attention but these cars don't have brake lights. That is my view. It wasn't random, it was directed. Max pulled over to the right (watch the video he moved to the right, offline) and braked because Red Bull told him to let Lewis by. He obviously wanted to let Lewis by before the detection zone, which Lewis would have done as well. Lewis runs into the back of him for no reason whatsoever. If you run into the back of the car in front of you on the street you are 100% liable for damages. Even if they brake check you, well guess what, that doesn't in one case, if Lewis runs into the back of someone. Hes fine no fault, Max was letting him go too suddenly.
Give me a break. The FIA wanted a single race showdown and they did everything they possibly could do to create one.
I hope Bottas takes a flyer into turn one and takes them both out next week. Max wins by tie-breaker.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Dec 6, 2021 8:49:34 GMT -8
I think it is difficult to anticipate a random 2.4 g braking in the middle of a straight. Sight lines there are poor because of the curve. Max was sitting smack in the middle of the track. Lewis WAS slowing down so he was paying attention but these cars don't have brake lights. That is my view. It wasn't random, it was directed. Max pulled over to the right (watch the video he moved to the right, offline) and braked because Red Bull told him to let Lewis by. He obviously wanted to let Lewis by before the detection zone, which Lewis would have done as well. Lewis runs into the back of him for no reason whatsoever. If you run into the back of the car in front of you on the street you are 100% liable for damages. Even if they brake check you, well guess what, that doesn't in one case, if Lewis runs into the back of someone. Hes fine no fault, Max was letting him go too suddenly.
Give me a break. The FIA wanted a single race showdown and they did everything they possibly could do to create one. Exactly. Max was very obviously slowing, and not suddenly. If Lewis isn't stupidly right up Max's gearbox, Max can't brake check him and the collision doesn't happen. |
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Post by BigDad on Dec 6, 2021 9:17:55 GMT -8
I'll just leave this right here...
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Post by Boomer on Dec 6, 2021 9:51:16 GMT -8
I'll bet it costs and arm and a leg to attend the Saudi Grand Prix.  Who knew that Saudi Arabia would take the Pink Floyd quote so seriously? My memory has [been] failing me lately, so I had to rack my brain on that quip. "One Of These Days"  |
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Post by mikey on Dec 6, 2021 9:55:33 GMT -8
I think it is difficult to anticipate a random 2.4 g braking in the middle of a straight. Sight lines there are poor because of the curve. Max was sitting smack in the middle of the track. Lewis WAS slowing down so he was paying attention but these cars don't have brake lights. That is my view. It wasn't random, it was directed. Max pulled over to the right (watch the video he moved to the right, offline) and braked because Red Bull told him to let Lewis by. He obviously wanted to let Lewis by before the detection zone, which Lewis would have done as well. Lewis runs into the back of him for no reason whatsoever. If you run into the back of the car in front of you on the street you are 100% liable for damages. Even if they brake check you, well guess what, that doesn't in one case, if Lewis runs into the back of someone. Hes fine no fault, Max was letting him go too suddenly.
Give me a break. The FIA wanted a single race showdown and they did everything they possibly could do to create one.
I hope Bottas takes a flyer into turn one and takes them both out next week. Max wins by tie-breaker.
I agree NO driver who is that far behind another driver is going to run into the one in front of him except Lulu!! Lulu even thanked Yuki the other day for not running into him when he was on the racing line just cruising along like he always does, PROFESSIONAL F1 Racing Driver should mean better than average skills and VERY few have ever been successfully brake checked especially under those conditions. |
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 6, 2021 10:03:54 GMT -8
It wasn't random, it was directed. Max pulled over to the right (watch the video he moved to the right, offline) and braked because Red Bull told him to let Lewis by. He obviously wanted to let Lewis by before the detection zone, which Lewis would have done as well. Lewis runs into the back of him for no reason whatsoever. If you run into the back of the car in front of you on the street you are 100% liable for damages. Even if they brake check you, well guess what, that doesn't in one case, if Lewis runs into the back of someone. Hes fine no fault, Max was letting him go too suddenly.
Give me a break. The FIA wanted a single race showdown and they did everything they possibly could do to create one. Exactly. Max was very obviously slowing, and not suddenly. If Lewis isn't stupidly right up Max's gearbox, Max can't brake check him and the collision doesn't happen. If you think that a sudden stab of the brakes at 2.4g is not "suddenly" then we just define things differently. Max was slowing gradually, allowing Hamilton to get right up behind him, and THEN slammed on the brakes. Recall these cars have no brake lights, unlike passenger cars. Max was smack in the middle of the track. If a car shown a blue flag did to Max what Max did to Lewis, he'd be whining on the radio. Doesn't Max have the responsibility to give the place back safely? Isn't he good enough to know that Lewis is RIGHT behind him before he slams on the brakes? And of course, if Lewis finished second to Max, the next race would still be a showdown. So none of this is logical. |
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 6, 2021 10:16:17 GMT -8
I think it is difficult to anticipate a random 2.4 g braking in the middle of a straight. Sight lines there are poor because of the curve. Max was sitting smack in the middle of the track. Lewis WAS slowing down so he was paying attention but these cars don't have brake lights. That is my view. It wasn't random, it was directed. Max pulled over to the right (watch the video he moved to the right, offline) and braked because Red Bull told him to let Lewis by. He obviously wanted to let Lewis by before the detection zone, which Lewis would have done as well. Lewis runs into the back of him for no reason whatsoever. If you run into the back of the car in front of you on the street you are 100% liable for damages. Even if they brake check you, well guess what, that doesn't in one case, if Lewis runs into the back of someone. Hes fine no fault, Max was letting him go too suddenly.
Give me a break. The FIA wanted a single race showdown and they did everything they possibly could do to create one.
I hope Bottas takes a flyer into turn one and takes them both out next week. Max wins by tie-breaker.
By the way, if you actually care about facts, Max took almost exactly the same line while slowing down as he had on many of the previous laps when being followed by Lewis. You can check the driver cameras. The racing line at that point moves to the right so Max was slowing down on the racing line. |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8