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Post by jmjgt on Dec 5, 2021 15:21:22 GMT -8
Marko will be drinking again.  That's just some dumb bullshit, why the hell would Hamilton brake if he saw Max slowing, and to use a feeble excuse like "no one told me i could take the place"?! Yeah, statistically he's the GOAT, but sometimes...  |
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Post by r60man on Dec 5, 2021 15:29:44 GMT -8
I am not going to react to the Max/Lewis drama because it was so blatantly obvious that the FIA is bending over backwards to get this result and head into the last race of the year a tie! Oh the drama, oh how magical it will be when Lewis wins. Sigh.
This track should be torn up immediately. What a complete garbage track with zero redeeming characteristics.
Faults:
1. Its in Saudi Arabia, very few countries guilty of more human rights violations
2. It is impossible to pass someone on
3. It has amazing crashes
4. When was the last time a single F1 race had 2 red flags?
5. What was that I counted 3 safety cars and 2 Virtual safety cars.
That was not a race, it was F1 demo derby. They should never, ever race there again. But they will cuz money.
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Post by Placid on Dec 5, 2021 15:31:36 GMT -8
So glad they did not go into this like the 2015 Iowa 300. Anyone remember the Carpenter-Karam incident?
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Post by Red_Hercules on Dec 5, 2021 15:39:06 GMT -8
The worst race I HAVE EVER SEEN, and I have been watching Formula 1 since 1972 (and been following it since 1969). Even accounting for the fiasco at Spa this year.
(Yes, I have, because from the day I was born until 1983 I lived in Europe and there, every race was televised on every Sunday and most of the races were in Europe back then.)
It is my opinion, and my opinion only that stewarding has gotten WORSE over the years. Going by the letter of the law and sporting regulations, they are "probably" right. I say "probably" because every decision involves SOME subjective judging. ALWAYS. We would not be human if our decisions were not subject to our "subjective judgement". It has become abundantly clear that F1 needs a travelling band of STEWARDS. Maybe, F1 drivers can vote each year on who the "stewards" are going to be. Or they can be selected in some other way. Penalties this year have not been accessed fairly across every driver and every situation. There have been occasions (more than one) where the same infraction has been adjudged differently.
It is now a bygone conclusion that the FIA has decided that Mercedes and Hamilton MUST WIN the Championship. Sorry Max, better luck next year.
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Post by wayfast on Dec 5, 2021 15:51:29 GMT -8
Part of the problem was giving places back. Instead of the pit box deciding, the Race Director is the only one who should give direction to give the position back. If the driver doesn't then assess a drive through penalty. Masi is as wishy washy of a RD as I've ever seen. When he asks Horner if he accepts that Max restarts third is total BS. Masi gives the order where he starts and moves on. I know Horner's option would be to let the stewards decide but why is it even a question if the RD says there's a issue. Don't even get me started on rotating Stewards. Our local Kart track is better officiated than F1 has been.
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 5, 2021 16:02:11 GMT -8
I am not going to react to the Max/Lewis drama because it was so blatantly obvious that the FIA is bending over backwards to get this result and head into the last race of the year a tie! Oh the drama, oh how magical it will be when Lewis wins. Sigh. This track should be torn up immediately. What a complete garbage track with zero redeeming characteristics. Faults: 1. Its in Saudi Arabia, very few countries guilty of more human rights violations 2. It is impossible to pass someone on Bahrain could probably give SA a run for it's money in human rights violations, and Brazil as a country is totally hosed. But yes. Actually there were a number of passes today so I'm not sure it is impossible to pass on. Anyone get the pass count? But still, such a fast track with no run-off area. It'll never improve; it's an inherent red-flag track. The Perez wreck was the one I feared and it was amazing no one got hurt and only three cars were destroyed in that one crash. |
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Post by Red_Hercules on Dec 5, 2021 16:15:22 GMT -8
I am not going to react to the Max/Lewis drama because it was so blatantly obvious that the FIA is bending over backwards to get this result and head into the last race of the year a tie! Oh the drama, oh how magical it will be when Lewis wins. Sigh. This track should be torn up immediately. What a complete garbage track with zero redeeming characteristics. Faults: 1. Its in Saudi Arabia, very few countries guilty of more human rights violations 2. It is impossible to pass someone on Bahrain could probably give SA a run for it's money in human rights violations, and Brazil as a country is totally hosed. But yes. Actually there were a number of passes today so I'm not sure it is impossible to pass on. Anyone get the pass count? But still, such a fast track with no run-off area. It'll never improve; it's an inherent red-flag track. The Perez wreck was the one I feared and it was amazing no one got hurt and only three cars were destroyed in that one crash. Without getting into too much politics, Saudi Arabia has an F1 race because of Money and Money only. If you want to talk politics we can discuss how: a) Saudi Arabia had a man cut to pieces in an Embassy; or b) SA supports and finances most international Islamic Terrorism; or c) 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists were of Saudi nationality; or d) SA treats women as second class citizens OR worse; or e) journalists have been persecuted or worse; or f) foreign workers (who are not from the west) are treated like slaves (something that also occurred in Qatar, in building the infrastructure for the World Cup in 2022); or g) (add your own). The point? SA has money. SA gives that money to people to do their bidding. Period, end of statement. Will there be another F1 race in SA? Of course. Money talks, everything else walks. |
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Post by jfme on Dec 5, 2021 16:20:37 GMT -8
Not sure if watching the last race will be worth it.
Got a feeling it will be the mother of all shitshows (penalty wise)
How Max collected 15 seconds in penalties today while Hamilton just got 10 for Silverstone with the outcome of destroying a car and winning both races is beyond me.
Hopefully, Alonso's car and Ferrari like Abu Dhabi.
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Post by 333sps on Dec 5, 2021 16:22:18 GMT -8
I read that stewards report and one thing is bothering me; why in the hell aren’t they hitting Hamilton for basically inattentive driving? Wasn’t he paying attention to the goddamn track? He’s a seven time WDC first Pete’s sake!
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Post by Red_Hercules on Dec 5, 2021 16:27:13 GMT -8
I read that stewards report and one thing is bothering me; why in the hell aren’t they hitting Hamilton for basically inattentive driving? Wasn’t he paying attention to the goddamn track? He’s a seven time WDC first Pete’s sake! As has been said before: "there is a different set of rules for Hamilton" |
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Post by mmi16 on Dec 5, 2021 17:18:09 GMT -8
Part of the problem was giving places back. Instead of the pit box deciding, the Race Director is the only one who should give direction to give the position back. If the driver don't then assess a drive through penalty. Masi is as wishy washy of a RD as I've ever seen. When he asks Horner if he accepts that Max restarts third is total BS. Masi gives the order where he starts and moves on. I know Horner's option would be to let the stewards decide but why is it even a question if the RD says there's a issue. Don't even get me started on rotating Stewards. Our local Kart track is better officiated than F1 has been. If Masi is a Race Director I'm a billionaire. No way am I a billionaire. |
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 5, 2021 17:21:31 GMT -8
I read that stewards report and one thing is bothering me; why in the hell aren’t they hitting Hamilton for basically inattentive driving? Wasn’t he paying attention to the goddamn track? He’s a seven time WDC first Pete’s sake! I think it is difficult to anticipate a random 2.4 g braking in the middle of a straight. Sight lines there are poor because of the curve. Max was sitting smack in the middle of the track. Lewis WAS slowing down so he was paying attention but these cars don't have brake lights. That is my view. |
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 5, 2021 17:26:32 GMT -8
I read that stewards report and one thing is bothering me; why in the hell aren’t they hitting Hamilton for basically inattentive driving? Wasn’t he paying attention to the goddamn track? He’s a seven time WDC first Pete’s sake! As has been said before: "there is a different set of rules for Hamilton" Honestly; why do you think that is? Max winning would be the best thing for the sport, it seems. That would set up a better storyline for next year. "Can the champ come back?" |
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Post by Sabrina81 on Dec 5, 2021 20:09:14 GMT -8
As has been said before: "there is a different set of rules for Hamilton" Honestly; why do you think that is? Max winning would be the best thing for the sport, it seems. That would set up a better storyline for next year. "Can the champ come back?" They want Merc to stay in F1 and Honda is pulling out. |
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Post by Codfish on Dec 5, 2021 20:18:10 GMT -8
Honestly; why do you think that is? Max winning would be the best thing for the sport, it seems. That would set up a better storyline for next year. "Can the champ come back?" They want Merc to stay in F1 and Honda is pulling out.
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Post by Boomer on Dec 5, 2021 20:19:47 GMT -8
As has been said before: "there is a different set of rules for Hamilton" Honestly; why do you think that is? Max winning would be the best thing for the sport, it seems. That would set up a better storyline for next year. "Can the champ come back?" I don't think it is possible, under the current F1 regime, to allow Hamilton to be dethroned. There is too much socio-political pressure to portray Lewis as a veritable "GOD". In fact, I would not put it past FIA to engineer a scenario where Lewis makes his exit from F1 as "Undefeated". That is exactly what they are in the process of doing.  |
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Post by mmi16 on Dec 5, 2021 20:46:02 GMT -8
Honestly; why do you think that is? Max winning would be the best thing for the sport, it seems. That would set up a better storyline for next year. "Can the champ come back?" I don't think it is possible, under the current F1 regime, to allow Hamilton to be dethroned. There is too much socio-political pressure to portray Lewis as a veritable "GOD". In fact, I would not put it past FIA to engineer a scenario where Lewis makes his exit from F1 as "Undefeated". That is exactly what they are in the process of doing. LH has already been 'defeated' by Rosberg! |
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Post by Sabrina81 on Dec 5, 2021 20:49:27 GMT -8
I don't think it is possible, under the current F1 regime, to allow Hamilton to be dethroned. There is too much socio-political pressure to portray Lewis as a veritable "GOD". In fact, I would not put it past FIA to engineer a scenario where Lewis makes his exit from F1 as "Undefeated". That is exactly what they are in the process of doing. LH has already been 'defeated' by Rosberg! LOL Button also beat him. |
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Post by Boomer on Dec 5, 2021 20:52:41 GMT -8
LH has already been 'defeated' by Rosberg! Yes, but not since and for seven (make that eight?) seasons. ----------------------------- undefeated adjective [ not gradable ] US /ˌʌn·dɪˈfi·t̬ɪd/ never having lost, esp. a competition, within a particular period of time: |
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Post by Codfish on Dec 5, 2021 21:03:44 GMT -8
They want Merc to stay in F1 and Honda is pulling out. ^ This... |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA