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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 15, 2021 4:52:59 GMT -8
So clueless, no surprise you are Hamilton fan. Google Ross Brawn or Jean Todt interviews. Those will tell you all you need know about Michael's relationship with his team. Michael was a team builder and team leader. Hamilton is neither. Toto interviews are the same thing. You make a good point. Success breeds success and Lewis has been nothing but successful so Toto has every reason to talk about it to the media. I feel no need to outright diss the guy but the slog years of building Merc F1 to where they are today were performed by Michael and Ross. I respect Lewis, make no mistake about that. He's the current standard-bearer. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 15, 2021 5:42:08 GMT -8
So clueless, no surprise you are Hamilton fan. Google Ross Brawn or Jean Todt interviews. Those will tell you all you need know about Michael's relationship with his team. Michael was a team builder and team leader. Hamilton is neither. Toto interviews are the same thing. Please show me a Toto interview where he talks about Hamilton being a team builder and team leader. Lewis is Mercedes' top driver, nothing more nothing less. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 15, 2021 7:40:19 GMT -8
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 15, 2021 8:42:09 GMT -8
Nice.  |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 15, 2021 8:49:41 GMT -8
Toto interviews are the same thing. Please show me a Toto interview where he talks about Hamilton being a team builder and team leader. Lewis is Mercedes' top driver, nothing more nothing less. Interesting; I hear Toto talk all the time about how critical Lewis is for the team's success. You think the people at the factory don't like him and support him? Do you think any driver achieves his status working in a vacuum; just showing up and driving? That they can accomplish all of that without the support from their team? Interesting. I guess Mercedes is so successful because they are just a paycheck team? |
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Post by Pistola on Oct 15, 2021 11:14:35 GMT -8
Hard to be anywhere near the factory when you're either at a fashion show or jet skiing near your Monaco home. Lewis is the GOAT at showing up and driving.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 15, 2021 11:16:25 GMT -8
Please show me a Toto interview where he talks about Hamilton being a team builder and team leader. Lewis is Mercedes' top driver, nothing more nothing less. Interesting; I hear Toto talk all the time about how critical Lewis is for the team's success. You think the people at the factory don't like him and support him? Do you think any driver achieves his status working in a vacuum; just showing up and driving? That they can accomplish all of that without the support from their team? Interesting. I guess Mercedes is so successful because they are just a paycheck team? What is so hard to understand? Lewis is neither a team builder or team leader. Please show me a Toto interview where he talks about Hamilton being a team builder and/or team leader. Lewis is Mercedes' top driver, nothing more nothing less. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 15, 2021 11:34:10 GMT -8
Interesting; I hear Toto talk all the time about how critical Lewis is for the team's success. You think the people at the factory don't like him and support him? Do you think any driver achieves his status working in a vacuum; just showing up and driving? That they can accomplish all of that without the support from their team? Interesting. I guess Mercedes is so successful because they are just a paycheck team? What is so hard to understand? Lewis is neither a team builder or team leader. Please show me a Toto interview where he talks about Hamilton being a team builder and/or team leader. Lewis is Mercedes' top driver, nothing more nothing less. I didn't find it too hard to find such quotes. If you do not believe it, then so it goes. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 15, 2021 13:48:59 GMT -8
What is so hard to understand? Lewis is neither a team builder or team leader. Please show me a Toto interview where he talks about Hamilton being a team builder and/or team leader. Lewis is Mercedes' top driver, nothing more nothing less. I didn't find it too hard to find such quotes. If you do not believe it, then so it goes. Post them. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 15, 2021 17:49:30 GMT -8
If you are not winning doing what everyone else is doing - you have to try something different. Seb miscalculated on the track condition. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 15, 2021 20:12:08 GMT -8
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 16, 2021 2:39:04 GMT -8
If you are not winning doing what everyone else is doing - you have to try something different. Seb miscalculated on the track condition. My only issue with it was he didn't try softs instead of mediums. Otherwise it was worth a shot, IMO. If it works, he's a hero.
It was as good a decision than Lulu's to not come in with 16 to go. After all, neither worked out.
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 16, 2021 7:52:53 GMT -8
I didn't find it too hard to find such quotes. If you do not believe it, then so it goes. Post them. It is not my job to do so. I have read and heard a lot over the years. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 16, 2021 12:42:05 GMT -8
It is not my job to do so. I have read and heard a lot over the years. Nice try, you can't post any links because none exist. Toto has never, ever, said Lewis is a team leader or team builder. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 17, 2021 6:35:06 GMT -8
I don't know; he is hailed over and over as a team player. That's sufficient for me. I believe it's actually Toto's responsibility to build and lead the team. As you so often point out, the driver is just a driver. They don't own nor run the team.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 17, 2021 9:43:25 GMT -8
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 17, 2021 12:37:17 GMT -8
You should learn to use Google. Sheesh. “I think the best fit is on the driver’s side: ability, the right work ethic, and to share some of the values that we have built up in the team,” Wolff says. “Being honest with each other, being loyal to each other, being transparent, being able to tell the brutal truths, even if it hurts. “But if it’s for the benefit [of everyone] when it’s about improving and development this is what an organisation needs to have, and where Lewis has transformed over the years is that he’s become a real team player. You can hear how much he praises the team.” |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 17, 2021 13:13:24 GMT -8
.......and where Lewis has transformed over the years is that he’s become a real team player. You can hear how much he praises the team.” LOL, praises the team? You must be joking? And where is the link to this quote? Snuffy said it best last week: Hope you guys don't mind me jumping in here. I don't remember what year or what race but Michael gave an interview I'll never forget. He didn't win and was asked about strategy. He said and I quote from memory "the driver couldn't make the team strategy work so it's my fault". That's leadership IMO. The pit wall had made an obvious mistake but Michael wouldn't push it off on them. I'm still waiting for any driver to say anything like that. In my mind that's why Michael will always be the GOAT. Lewis may be even more talented, win more races and championships but his maturity and Team Leadership isn't on the same level as Michael. |
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 18, 2021 9:16:57 GMT -8
All I can say is Hamilton has the ability to make a car perform better than it should in a race, but he's not the guy to make a TEAM perform better over a season. Put Hamilton and Schumacher (in his prime) on the same team and and Michael wins the title 7 out of ten times. Matchett used to say Schumacher gave constant, constructive feedback during the race, if he had a problem with a strategy he would NEVER call the team out over the radio. He'd wait until the debrief to go over things.
Lulu's driving skills are amongst the best ever, but he's no "team player" he's a hired gun.
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 18, 2021 11:50:12 GMT -8
All I can say is Hamilton has the ability to make a car perform better than it should in a race, but he's not the guy to make a TEAM perform better over a season. Put Hamilton and Schumacher (in his prime) on the same team and and Michael wins the title 7 out of ten times. Matchett used to say Schumacher gave constant, constructive feedback during the race, if he had a problem with a strategy he would NEVER call the team out over the radio. He'd wait until the debrief to go over things. Lulu's driving skills are amongst the best ever, but he's no "team player" he's a hired gun. Clearly he did not used to be a team player at all. But I think you are mistaking what is said over the radio as some horrible thing. Different people do things differently. QB's question the coach's play calling, for example. Some are vocal about it, some are not. But they are all team players. Clearly the team rallies around Lewis and his TEAM says he is a team player. Wolff talking about how he puts in many hours and criticizes his own driving in meetings. Provides tons of feedback. He always calls out the team after his success. He IS part of the team and IS part of the strategic calls. To not use his expertise would be silly. His in-race calls have been correct as least as often as they've been wrong. He also contributes to the strategy development. This I learn just reading things. No insider knowledge. That doesn't detract from the awesome personality and driving genius that Schumacher possessed. I guess I am unsure why his team is fine with this situation but apparently others outside the team think they shouldn't be. |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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