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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 12, 2021 8:01:01 GMT -8
As a race watcher I would have preferred they left Lewis out to the end as he wanted. I wanted to see if he could make it and where he would have ended up by his own decision making. Frankly Lewis has saved the team strategist on more than one occasion so I would have let him decide.. It could have been epic good or bad. Now we don't know for sure.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 12, 2021 8:56:20 GMT -8
^ As a viewer, absolutely yes, I wanted to Lewis to stay out as long as he wanted to. As for never knowing the outcome, I think we have a good idea of what would've happened.  |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 12, 2021 9:12:05 GMT -8
Wolff Defends Mercedes, Says Hamilton’s Hesitance To Pit Cost Him Points“F**k, why’d you give up that space? We shouldn’t have come in. Massive graining man. I told you!” Hamilton seethed over the team radio. After the race, Hamilton stated that he felt as though he “should have stayed out.” Mercedes boss Toto Wolff said he supported the team’s call, stating that it was Hamilton’s delay in pitting which cost him a chance of a podium. Wolff justified the call, describing it as a measured response. The Austrian added that Hamilton “didn‘t see how much he was dropping off. It was clear that had he stayed out then he would have lost out to Gasly.” ________________________________________________________________________________________________________-
Brundle blames Hamilton for Turkey strategy blunder
Martin Brundle believes Lewis Hamilton made a mistake on staying out on worn tyres in Turkey, and put Mercedes “out of their stride” when he didn’t pit.
Hamilton was called in to change for fresh intermediate tyres with 16 laps remaining of the Turkish Grand Prix, but he opted to stay out as he felt the tyres would be able to last to the end.
However, the team eventually decided to make him come in with only a few laps left, to cover off those behind and avoid the possibility of a tyre blowout – but dropping down to P5 left the World Champion frustrated after the race, as he surrendered the lead in the title race to Max Verstappen.
Debate continued afterwards as to who was to blame for Hamilton’s strategy call, and the Sky F1 analyst feels the Mercedes driver was more at fault than his team.
“I think yesterday was a mistake on Lewis’ part,” Brundle told Sky Sports.
“We have seen him overrule the team [before] and it’s worked out very well, actually. For example, in Turkey last year, when he ran right through to the end and it was a glorious victory – one of his finest, actually.
“Yesterday, I think all Mercedes had to do was mimic, to an extent, what Red Bull were doing, try to minimise the pain of him taking an engine penalty and a grid penalty to go with that.
“So, I think Lewis put his team off balance. They did a bit of a No Man’s Land stop in the end. It was too late in the day for him to use the tyres, but they had to stop.
“I’m pretty sure if we looked at Esteban Ocon’s tyres in the Alpine, for example, it was down to the canvas and I think, if they had let Lewis run to the end, Pirelli say it wouldn’t have worked out.
“Common sense tells you it probably wouldn’t have worked out, but Lewis felt he wanted to do that.
One wonders why Hamilton wasn't given that information. His pace relative to others, for instance. Ocon made it work; Hamilton could have as well. I'm sure Lewis was given far more info than we heard, and from what I've read, it sounds like Ocon lost 2 spots by staying out ... AND he was lucky he didn't have a puncture, given the condition of his tires after the race. Lewis ignored the team, stayed out too long, & lost positions & probably the WDC lead because of it. ETA: Or in other words: basically what several of y'all said! |
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Post by r60man on Oct 12, 2021 9:23:27 GMT -8
Hamilton has to STFU and realize that he was at the pointy end of the field. Ocon was lapping mid pack. But at the end of the race he had Gasly, Norris and Sainz all within 10 seconds of him. Had he stayed out, they all would have passed. He was lapping 4 seconds a lap slower than the drivers that had changed their tires. He would have been most likely 9th had he stayed out.
That would have made me smile even more than 5th place.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 12, 2021 9:32:46 GMT -8
Hamilton has to STFU and realize that he was at the pointy end of the field. Ocon was lapping mid pack. But at the end of the race he had Gasly, Norris and Sainz all within 10 seconds of him. Had he stayed out, they all would have passed. He was lapping 4 seconds a lap slower than the drivers that had changed their tires. He would have been most likely 9th had he stayed out. That would have made me smile even more than 5th place. Yeah I was actually hoping he'd just stay out & lose more positions as a result. |
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Post by jfme on Oct 12, 2021 11:56:54 GMT -8
Well it was always a lose-lose for Mercedes.
Had they let Lulu go all the way on the carcasses and crashed out, its Mercedes fault for not being assertive. They got computers and Hamilton dont so what are they paid to do?
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Did what they did and save Hamilton's race with decent damage control point haul. They get all the fire of not letting their driver duke it out. After all "he is driving the darn car and knows best"
I also was one of those wishing Mercedes let him out to ride those shreds into a wall. LOL
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 12, 2021 14:04:09 GMT -8
Well it was always a lose-lose for Mercedes. Had they let Lulu go all the way on the carcasses and crashed out, its Mercedes fault for not being assertive. They got computers and Hamilton dont so what are they paid to do? or Did what they did and save Hamilton's race with decent damage control point haul. They get all the fire of not letting their driver duke it out. After all "he is driving the darn car and knows best" I also was one of those wishing Mercedes let him out to ride those shreds into a wall. LOL My apologies; I forgot that on this board I am required to hate Hamilton and pretend he is not good. The dude has shitloads of experience but no, he knows nothing about the car or his tires or his performance so he should just shut up and drive. After all, he has never made a good decision in his life and it is always up to the team to save him from himself. Especially last year in Turkey when he refused the team's request to Box and subsequently crashed and lost the race. Oh wait.... |
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Post by jfme on Oct 12, 2021 14:32:00 GMT -8
Well it was always a lose-lose for Mercedes. Had they let Lulu go all the way on the carcasses and crashed out, its Mercedes fault for not being assertive. They got computers and Hamilton dont so what are they paid to do? or Did what they did and save Hamilton's race with decent damage control point haul. They get all the fire of not letting their driver duke it out. After all "he is driving the darn car and knows best" I also was one of those wishing Mercedes let him out to ride those shreds into a wall. LOL My apologies; I forgot that on this board I am required to hate Hamilton and pretend he is not good. The dude has shitloads of experience but no, he knows nothing about the car or his tires or his performance so he should just shut up and drive. After all, he has never made a good decision in his life and it is always up to the team to save him from himself. Especially last year in Turkey when he refused the team's request to Box and subsequently crashed and lost the race. Oh wait.... It aint hattin'. The dude made a bad call, Mercedes picked up the pieces and saved his race. Yet Lulu beotches and moans and then his fanboy media backs him up and rags on Mercedes. Hamilton is one of the best drivers out there. But the bias and apologysm from the media is nauseating. Its bad enough 80% of the broadcast is about him. Credit when the credit is due both good and bad. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 12, 2021 14:37:21 GMT -8
My apologies; I forgot that on this board I am required to hate Hamilton and pretend he is not good. The dude has shitloads of experience but no, he knows nothing about the car or his tires or his performance so he should just shut up and drive. After all, he has never made a good decision in his life and it is always up to the team to save him from himself. Especially last year in Turkey when he refused the team's request to Box and subsequently crashed and lost the race. Oh wait.... It aint hattin'. The dude made a bad call, Mercedes picked up the pieces and saved his race. Yet Lulu beotches and moans and then his fanboy media backs him up and rags on Mercedes. Hamilton is one of the best drivers out there. But the bias and apologysm from the media is nauseating. Its bad enough 80% of the broadcast is about him. Credit when the credit is due both good and bad. I understand that a lot of people think it was a bad call, but there are others who think it could have worked. Not too many laps to go and he had been running consistent times. It is true that the team probably should have been firmer earlier but again it is not clear that he got the right information (about "will they last", for instance). But it is also true that he might have finished in third. We don't know. That's the point. I mean, have strategy computers ever been wrong? Of course. Ultimately he pulled in and he dealt with it. He managed to keep in fifth in tricky conditions. Was it right or wrong? Nobody knows. Pirelli speculated. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 12, 2021 14:46:57 GMT -8
It aint hattin'. The dude made a bad call, Mercedes picked up the pieces and saved his race. Yet Lulu beotches and moans and then his fanboy media backs him up and rags on Mercedes. Hamilton is one of the best drivers out there. But the bias and apologysm from the media is nauseating. Its bad enough 80% of the broadcast is about him. Credit when the credit is due both good and bad. I understand that a lot of people think it was a bad call, but there are others who think it could have worked. Not too many laps to go and he had been running consistent times. It is true that the team probably should have been firmer earlier but again it is not clear that he got the right information (about "will they last", for instance). But it is also true that he might have finished in third. We don't know. That's the point. I mean, have strategy computers ever been wrong? Of course. Ultimately he pulled in and he dealt with it. He managed to keep in fifth in tricky conditions. Was it right or wrong? Nobody knows. Pirelli speculated. Blame it on Bono! |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 12, 2021 14:51:07 GMT -8
I understand that a lot of people think it was a bad call, but there are others who think it could have worked. Not too many laps to go and he had been running consistent times. It is true that the team probably should have been firmer earlier but again it is not clear that he got the right information (about "will they last", for instance). But it is also true that he might have finished in third. We don't know. That's the point. I mean, have strategy computers ever been wrong? Of course. Ultimately he pulled in and he dealt with it. He managed to keep in fifth in tricky conditions. Was it right or wrong? Nobody knows. Pirelli speculated. Blame it on Bono! Wait, I didn't know he was Canadian! :-) |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 13, 2021 2:41:43 GMT -8
It aint hattin'. The dude made a bad call, Mercedes picked up the pieces and saved his race. Yet Lulu beotches and moans and then his fanboy media backs him up and rags on Mercedes. Hamilton is one of the best drivers out there. But the bias and apologysm from the media is nauseating. Its bad enough 80% of the broadcast is about him. Credit when the credit is due both good and bad. I understand that a lot of people think it was a bad call, but there are others who think it could have worked. Not too many laps to go and he had been running consistent times. When he was first called in there were 16 laps to go. And yes, he was consistent, but slow. |
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Post by r60man on Oct 13, 2021 3:45:36 GMT -8
I do not hate Hamilton, but his constant whining, about, well, everything, have made me lose a lot of respect for the man. He made a bad choice, then throws the team under the bus. Sorry, can not like that.
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 13, 2021 7:56:35 GMT -8
I do not hate Hamilton, but his constant whining, about, well, everything, have made me lose a lot of respect for the man. He made a bad choice, then throws the team under the bus. Sorry, can not like that. I am pretty sure you hear it because they rarely play other radios. I mean, we've heard plenty of Kimi whining and throwing the team under the bus but everyone seems cool with that. Just the other day he was whining about his drink and asking how the team could fuck up such a simple thing. |
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Post by Yenko Stinger on Oct 13, 2021 8:19:40 GMT -8
Sounds like a reasonable ?
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 13, 2021 8:25:44 GMT -8
If a driver isn't bitching he isn't breathing.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 13, 2021 8:30:29 GMT -8
I do not hate Hamilton, but his constant whining, about, well, everything, have made me lose a lot of respect for the man. He made a bad choice, then throws the team under the bus. Sorry, can not like that. I am pretty sure you hear it because they rarely play other radios. I mean, we've heard plenty of Kimi whining and throwing the team under the bus but everyone seems cool with that. Just the other day he was whining about his drink and asking how the team could fuck up such a simple thing. Kimi was/is a mechanic. When he is complaining about things like a water bottle leaking it is because he can do the work to fix it or install it correctly in the first place. I listen to plenty of other team to drive a radio broadcasts and no one else on the grid undermines and complains about team strategies calls like Lewis does, no one, not even even close. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 13, 2021 12:00:28 GMT -8
I am pretty sure you hear it because they rarely play other radios. I mean, we've heard plenty of Kimi whining and throwing the team under the bus but everyone seems cool with that. Just the other day he was whining about his drink and asking how the team could fuck up such a simple thing. Kimi was/is a mechanic. When he is complaining about things like a water bottle leaking it is because he can do the work to fix it or install it correctly in the first place. I listen to plenty of other team to drive a radio broadcasts and no one else on the grid undermines and complains about team strategies calls like Lewis does, no one, not even even close. No other driver has won seven WDC, either. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 13, 2021 12:06:26 GMT -8
Kimi was/is a mechanic. When he is complaining about things like a water bottle leaking it is because he can do the work to fix it or install it correctly in the first place. I listen to plenty of other team to drive a radio broadcasts and no one else on the grid undermines and complains about team strategies calls like Lewis does, no one, not even even close. No other driver has won seven WDC, either. Yep, thanks in very large part to dominant cars he's had for 6 of those, provided to him by his Mercedes overlords. By now, Lewis should have figured out that they know a thing or two from time to time, and aren't out to screw him. Far from it. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 13, 2021 12:09:00 GMT -8
No other driver has won seven WDC, either. Yep, thanks in very large part to dominant cars he's had for 6 of those, provided to him by his Mercedes overlords. By now, Lewis should have figured out that they know a thing or two from time to time, and aren't out to screw him. Far from it. And they have figured out that he knows a thing or two and his feedback and input are valuable. |
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