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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 13, 2021 12:12:06 GMT -8
Yep, thanks in very large part to dominant cars he's had for 6 of those, provided to him by his Mercedes overlords. By now, Lewis should have figured out that they know a thing or two from time to time, and aren't out to screw him. Far from it. And they have figured out that he knows a thing or two and his feedback and input are valuable. Sure. It's a give and take, and the team very often listens to Lewis, but Lewis hurt his own cause in Turkey, not the other way around. Lewis needs to listen to the team, too. They were insistent for a reason, but Lewis wasn't having it. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 13, 2021 12:45:37 GMT -8
Kimi was/is a mechanic. When he is complaining about things like a water bottle leaking it is because he can do the work to fix it or install it correctly in the first place. I listen to plenty of other team to drive a radio broadcasts and no one else on the grid undermines and complains about team strategies calls like Lewis does, no one, not even even close. No other driver has won seven WDC, either. Never heard of Michael Schumacher? 7X WDC winner? Schumi didn't throw his team's strategy calls under the bus at nearly very race because Schumi knew he was part of the team. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 13, 2021 12:46:47 GMT -8
And they have figured out that he knows a thing or two and his feedback and input are valuable. Really, prove it? |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 13, 2021 13:05:01 GMT -8
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Post by mikey on Oct 13, 2021 13:17:23 GMT -8
And they have figured out that he knows a thing or two and his feedback and input are valuable. Really, prove it? Monaco a few years ago when he was watching the big screen and said 'pit me now'?  |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 13, 2021 13:36:17 GMT -8
Monaco a few years ago when he was watching the big screen and said 'pit me now'? What are you talking about? How does fulfill the question? |
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Post by r60man on Oct 13, 2021 15:39:50 GMT -8
I do not hate Hamilton, but his constant whining, about, well, everything, have made me lose a lot of respect for the man. He made a bad choice, then throws the team under the bus. Sorry, can not like that. I am pretty sure you hear it because they rarely play other radios. I mean, we've heard plenty of Kimi whining and throwing the team under the bus but everyone seems cool with that. Just the other day he was whining about his drink and asking how the team could fuck up such a simple thing. Hang on a minute. I watch the Sky broadcast on ESPN. They adore and love Lewis, are you seriously suggesting that they cherry pick audio that makes him look bad? I find that laughable. They gloom over him so much. I agree that he is a fantastic driver, but he has also had the best car on the grid for many years, and not with a team mate allowed to challenge him, when he did have one he did not win the WDC. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 14, 2021 10:47:00 GMT -8
Giovinazzi refused team orders to let Kimi pass. But we don't hear that exchange during the race and only get it confirmed four days later. If it was Hamilton it would have been broadcast during the race. This is the point. It's not that they cherry pick to make him look bad, but they don't pay much attention to other team radios. And, of course, Hamilton beat Rosberg three of four years so he DID win the WDC with a team mate allowed to challenge him.
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 14, 2021 11:21:30 GMT -8
Giovinazzi refused team orders to let Kimi pass. But we don't hear that exchange during the race and only get it confirmed four days later. If it was Hamilton it would have been broadcast during the race. This is the point. It's not that they cherry pick to make him look bad, but they don't pay much attention to other team radios. And, of course, Hamilton beat Rosberg three of four years so he DID win the WDC with a team mate allowed to challenge him. The problem with most all racing presentations. If it doesn't take place for the lead - it never happened as far as the TV presentation is concerned - UNLESS it ends up in some kind of wreck. There are a number of mid-pack battles that rarely get mentioned, let alone followed when the leader walks off into the distance. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 14, 2021 11:43:00 GMT -8
Giovinazzi refused team orders to let Kimi pass. But we don't hear that exchange during the race and only get it confirmed four days later. If it was Hamilton it would have been broadcast during the race. This is the point. It's not that they cherry pick to make him look bad, but they don't pay much attention to other team radios. And, of course, Hamilton beat Rosberg three of four years so he DID win the WDC with a team mate allowed to challenge him. The problem with most all racing presentations. If it doesn't take place for the lead - it never happened as far as the TV presentation is concerned - UNLESS it ends up in some kind of wreck. There are a number of mid-pack battles that rarely get mentioned, let alone followed when the leader walks off into the distance. This is why I have enjoyed the app where you can see a battle evolving on the timing screen and switch to the camera of interest. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 14, 2021 11:43:36 GMT -8
Kimi was/is a mechanic. When he is complaining about things like a water bottle leaking it is because he can do the work to fix it or install it correctly in the first place. I listen to plenty of other team to drive a radio broadcasts and no one else on the grid undermines and complains about team strategies calls like Lewis does, no one, not even even close. No other driver has won seven WDC, either. Wow, do you have radio broadcasts from the Michael Schumacher years? |
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Post by mikey on Oct 14, 2021 11:43:47 GMT -8
Monaco a few years ago when he was watching the big screen and said 'pit me now'? What are you talking about? How does fulfill the question? I was being sarcastic hence the whistling while looking away emoji |
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Post by boiler on Oct 14, 2021 13:46:40 GMT -8
No other driver has won seven WDC, either. Wow, do you have radio broadcasts from the Michael Schumacher years? No one does, those were heavily encrypted radio transmissions |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 14, 2021 13:54:35 GMT -8
No other driver has won seven WDC, either. Wow, do you have radio broadcasts from the Michael Schumacher years? So clueless, no surprise you are Hamilton fan. Google Ross Brawn or Jean Todt interviews. Those will tell you all you need know about Michael's relationship with his team. Michael was a team builder and team leader. Hamilton is neither. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 14, 2021 14:54:58 GMT -8
What are you talking about? How does fulfill the question? I was being sarcastic hence the whistling while looking away emoji The whistling emoji doesn't mean sarcasm, it means something obvious was missed. As in I missed something obvious in not remembering Lewis cueing his pit stop off the trackside TV and you are subtly pointing it out to me. This is the sarcasm emoji.  |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 14, 2021 15:15:20 GMT -8
Wow, do you have radio broadcasts from the Michael Schumacher years? So clueless, no surprise you are Hamilton fan. Google Ross Brawn or Jean Todt interviews. Those will tell you all you need know about Michael's relationship with his team. Michael was a team builder and team leader. Hamilton is neither. Hope you guys don't mind me jumping in here. I don't remember what year or what race but Michael gave an interview I'll never forget. He didn't win and was asked about strategy. He said and I quote from memory "the driver couldn't make the team strategy work so it's my fault". That's leadership IMO. The pit wall had made an obvious mistake but Michael wouldn't push it off on them. I'm still waiting for any driver to say anything like that. In my mind that's why Michael will always be the GOAT. Lewis may be even more talented, win more races and championships but his maturity and Team Leadership isn't on the same level as Michael. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 14, 2021 16:53:02 GMT -8
So clueless, no surprise you are Hamilton fan. Google Ross Brawn or Jean Todt interviews. Those will tell you all you need know about Michael's relationship with his team. Michael was a team builder and team leader. Hamilton is neither. Hope you guys don't mind me jumping in here. I don't remember what year or what race but Michael gave an interview I'll never forget. He didn't win and was asked about strategy. He said and I quote from memory "the driver couldn't make the team strategy work so it's my fault". That's leadership IMO. The pit wall had made an obvious mistake but Michael wouldn't push it off on them. I'm still waiting for any driver to say anything like that. In my mind that's why Michael will always be the GOAT. Lewis may be even more talented, win more races and championships but his maturity and Team Leadership isn't on the same level as Michael. Hear, hear. MSC can drive my car anytime. Lewis? Not so much. |
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Post by mikey on Oct 14, 2021 19:23:12 GMT -8
So clueless, no surprise you are Hamilton fan. Google Ross Brawn or Jean Todt interviews. Those will tell you all you need know about Michael's relationship with his team. Michael was a team builder and team leader. Hamilton is neither. Hope you guys don't mind me jumping in here. I don't remember what year or what race but Michael gave an interview I'll never forget. He didn't win and was asked about strategy. He said and I quote from memory "the driver couldn't make the team strategy work so it's my fault". That's leadership IMO. The pit wall had made an obvious mistake but Michael wouldn't push it off on them. I'm still waiting for any driver to say anything like that. In my mind that's why Michael will always be the GOAT. Lewis may be even more talented, win more races and championships but his maturity and Team Leadership isn't on the same level as Michael. Lulu always says "we win and lose as a Team" but he NEVER EVER trusts them unless he also thinks it's a good idea. I hope Toto has found a way to fine/punish Lulu when he screws the Team when he decides he's smarter than the best computing power and programmers money can buy!! |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 15, 2021 3:12:39 GMT -8
Wow, do you have radio broadcasts from the Michael Schumacher years? So clueless, no surprise you are Hamilton fan. Google Ross Brawn or Jean Todt interviews. Those will tell you all you need know about Michael's relationship with his team. Michael was a team builder and team leader. Hamilton is neither. Toto interviews are the same thing. |
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Post by r60man on Oct 15, 2021 4:52:23 GMT -8
Wow, do you have radio broadcasts from the Michael Schumacher years? So clueless, no surprise you are Hamilton fan. Google Ross Brawn or Jean Todt interviews. Those will tell you all you need know about Michael's relationship with his team. Michael was a team builder and team leader. Hamilton is neither. Michael knew very little Italian when he signed with Ferrari. By the start of the season he was fluent, at least in communicating what needed to be communicated about the car. Michael was very intelligent and liked to make people on the team feel valuable. When he learned Italian, that earned him a lot of respect among the team. |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8