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Post by Pistola on Jul 29, 2021 10:30:57 GMT -8
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Post by Pistola on Jul 29, 2021 10:34:59 GMT -8
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Post by Boomer on Jul 29, 2021 10:55:50 GMT -8
^Lulu actually found the apex that time but (as you saw) Chuck ended up off track because "he was leaving room" like we've heard over and over again from some. So you see you don't HAVE to be ahead to pass someone, you just have to put their safety in jeopardy. History shows Hamilton is very good at that. Charles also started the turn from the far left of the track, whereas Max was about center track and forcing Lewis to start the corner from far inside. " Forcing Lewis... to the inside"?  Your blind admiration of Hamilton is clouding your perception of reality!  |
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Post by struns on Jul 29, 2021 13:01:03 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 13:08:12 GMT -8
The person at MB who dreams up that type of statement deserves to burn in Hell.
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 29, 2021 13:21:10 GMT -8
I just watched the link here; Charles is clearly out wide on the entrance to the corner. Max was about mid track (much farther to the right than when he normally took the corner because he had pushed Lewis inside) Nope, their line through the corner was the same. Both left equal space for Lewis. 100% correct, at the 50 sec mark lulu is almost a full cars width away from the edge of the track with max, if he had taken the LeClerc pass line they wouldn't have touched. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 29, 2021 13:27:42 GMT -8
Nope, their line through the corner was the same. Both left equal space for Lewis. 100% correct, at the 50 sec mark lulu is almost a full cars width away from the edge of the track with max, if he had taken the LeClerc pass line they wouldn't have touched. Hmmmm...when I look at the 5 second mark, I see Leclerc all the way at the left side of the track. I see Max about the middle of the track. Those are not the same lines. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 29, 2021 13:47:05 GMT -8
100% correct, at the 50 sec mark lulu is almost a full cars width away from the edge of the track with max, if he had taken the LeClerc pass line they wouldn't have touched. Hmmmm...when I look at the 5 second mark, I see Leclerc all the way at the left side of the track. I see Max about the middle of the track. Those are not the same lines. Once Leclerc turns in Max and Leclerc's line through the corner is from that point is exactly the same. |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 29, 2021 13:48:21 GMT -8
In retrospect the Karen Horner analysis was no better or different than a Karun Chandhok analysis.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 29, 2021 13:50:41 GMT -8
In retrospect the Karen Horner analysis was no better or different than a Karun Chandhok analysis. RedBull has always been terrible at litigating these things. |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 29, 2021 14:15:59 GMT -8
In retrospect the Karen Horner analysis was no better or different than a Karun Chandhok analysis. RedBull has always been terrible at litigating these things. It was as skillful as the fuel flow theatrics. |
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 29, 2021 14:45:27 GMT -8
100% correct, at the 50 sec mark lulu is almost a full cars width away from the edge of the track with max, if he had taken the LeClerc pass line they wouldn't have touched. Hmmmm...when I look at the 5 second mark, I see Leclerc all the way at the left side of the track. I see Max about the middle of the track. Those are not the same lines. Meaning what? Seems to me a well paid, 7 time WDC would not have made such a move with LESS room available. Both Max and Chuck had every right to take the lines they did and both gave Hamilton ample room, he just made a mess of what max gave him. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 29, 2021 14:56:08 GMT -8
RedBull has always been terrible at litigating these things. It was as skillful as the fuel flow theatrics. Yes that, and couple of other FIA interactions. They suck at it. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 29, 2021 15:01:22 GMT -8
The person at MB who dreams up that type of statement deserves to burn in Hell. This headline made me LOL ...
Mercedes accuses Red Bull of trying to tarnish Hamilton’s integrity
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 29, 2021 15:18:09 GMT -8
Hmmmm...when I look at the 5 second mark, I see Leclerc all the way at the left side of the track. I see Max about the middle of the track. Those are not the same lines. Meaning what? Seems to me a well paid, 7 time WDC would not have made such a move with LESS room available. Both Max and Chuck had every right to take the lines they did and both gave Hamilton ample room, he just made a mess of what max gave him. It worked out for him and Max's insistence on turning in (as Randy Pobst posted; you should not hit what you can see, Max!) did not work out for him. Again, Max made choices and played a role, as per the ruling. Lewis knows that the driver on the outside has a role to play, which is why he gave Max a lot of room on the prior corner when Lewis was on the outside (which then put him behind Max). Max made choices that did not work out. He took a risk that Lewis was not going to be there. |
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Post by Red_Hercules on Jul 29, 2021 15:42:56 GMT -8
The person at MB who dreams up that type of statement deserves to burn in Hell. This headline made me LOL ...
Mercedes accuses Red Bull of trying to tarnish Hamilton’s integrity
HAMILTON HAS A REPUTATION ?!?!?!? Who knew?! |
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 29, 2021 15:52:11 GMT -8
Meaning what? Seems to me a well paid, 7 time WDC would not have made such a move with LESS room available. Both Max and Chuck had every right to take the lines they did and both gave Hamilton ample room, he just made a mess of what max gave him. It worked out for him and Max's insistence on turning in (as Randy Pobst posted; you should not hit what you can see, Max!) did not work out for him. Again, Max made choices and played a role, as per the ruling. Lewis knows that the driver on the outside has a role to play, which is why he gave Max a lot of room on the prior corner when Lewis was on the outside (which then put him behind Max). Max made choices that did not work out. He took a risk that Lewis was not going to be there. I think lulu has more need for Pobst's advice. |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 29, 2021 20:29:02 GMT -8
It was as skillful as the fuel flow theatrics. Yes that, and couple of other FIA interactions. They suck at it. I'm amused that they put Albon in the car to simulate Hamilton's line given their history of contact. All in all RB came off looking "desperate". |
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Post by r60man on Jul 30, 2021 17:04:13 GMT -8
Listen to the reality. The FIA loves Lewis. He is their chosen one. I still think that Max can, and will beat him. He just needs to not give Lewis the opportunity to punt him off the track. If Max can take him on a straight with DRS there is no way Lewis can pull this shit. He just needs to be patient, because the FIA will not suspend, or seriously punish their golden child.
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Post by mikey on Jul 30, 2021 19:05:50 GMT -8
Listen to the reality. The FIA loves Lewis. He is their chosen one. I still think that Max can, and will beat him. He just needs to not give Lewis the opportunity to punt him off the track. If Max can take him on a straight with DRS there is no way Lewis can pull this shit. He just needs to be patient, because the FIA will not suspend, or seriously punish their golden child. I don't think it's as simple minded as that but yes I think they have the mentality that everyone get's a piece of the track and if you are even slightly in the wrong they could very easily rule against instead of for you against someone who's been racing a long time like Lewis has. In their minds I think they saw Max turn into Lewis trying to cut him off and that was what ruined it for them, ie if he had kept his line and not turned towards Lulu to cut into the corner then Lulu could have been penalized alot worse. IE Perez not leaving enough room for people to pass, twice, and got 2 different penalties for it. |
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Your blind admiration of Hamilton is clouding your perception of reality! 
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