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Post by overboost on Jul 27, 2021 16:55:59 GMT -8
Just look at the videos. They are right there in front of you. Max turned in knowing that Lewis was there. There was plenty of room for him on the outside just as Lewis had given but then Max would have lost the lead and he did not want to. Perhaps that is the difference between a 7x WDC and Max. It was amateur on the part of Hamilton. He went out there into Max's line, nowhere the apex of the corner, looking for trouble. |
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Post by overboost on Jul 27, 2021 16:59:17 GMT -8
I'm waiting to see if Red Bull's new evidence is Karun Chandhok. Karun has put out a statement that he is not the evidence! |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 27, 2021 18:27:10 GMT -8
^^ you can talk about it till the cows come home. But here are the facts. 1st, max left room. 2, lulu hit max. 3rd lulu got a penalty. 4th, the black flag saved his ass. 5th, he took 10 laps or whatever b-4 he did the 10 seconds and by then he was far enough ahead so it didn't make any difference. Lulu was penalized to the point that there was no penalty. Lulu should have started in 19th position on the Restart for avoidable contact and then served a 10 second stop in the pit penalty with no other work being performed after the restart. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 28, 2021 2:49:18 GMT -8
The second one clearly shows how far to the left of a normal line Lewis was. It was either intentional or really fucking stupid.
Pick one.
I'd like to reiterate the above. Intentional, or fucking stupid.
Which was it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 5:10:02 GMT -8
How about intentionally fucking stupid?
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 28, 2021 5:41:20 GMT -8
The second one clearly shows how far to the left of a normal line Lewis was. It was either intentional or really fucking stupid.
Pick one.
I'd like to reiterate the above. Intentional, or fucking stupid.
Which was it?
The second one clearly shows how far to the right of a normal line Max was. Both were trying to push the other and Max came out for the worse. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Jul 28, 2021 5:47:42 GMT -8
The second one clearly shows how far to the left of a normal line Lewis was. It was either intentional or really fucking stupid.
Pick one.
I'd like to reiterate the above. Intentional, or fucking stupid.
Which was it?
The only way lulu has a chance to win the race was to take out max. so I'd say intentional and brilliant. |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 28, 2021 6:09:29 GMT -8
What will be the new evidence that RB will bring? Might be an onboard that the stewards didn't have but it's very likely that any data, GPS or otherwise, was already available to them. Anything new there might have to conclusively contradict the existing data.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 6:35:03 GMT -8
What will be the new evidence that RB will bring? Might be an onboard that the stewards didn't have but it's very likely that any data, GPS or otherwise, was already available to them. Anything new there might have to conclusively contradict the existing data. I think the crux of RedBull's argument will be how Hamilton was able to get past Leclerc in the same corner without colliding. Pretty thin, but hey, it's worth a shot. |
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Post by wayfast on Jul 28, 2021 16:07:30 GMT -8
What will be the new evidence that RB will bring? Might be an onboard that the stewards didn't have but it's very likely that any data, GPS or otherwise, was already available to them. Anything new there might have to conclusively contradict the existing data. I think the crux of RedBull's argument will be how Hamilton was able to get past Leclerc in the same corner without colliding. Pretty thin, but hey, it's worth a shot. If I remember correctly, Charlie didn't give Lewis much of a challenge and stayed well away from him. Since he witnessed the first lap debacle he probably didn't want to get sent into the wall too. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 28, 2021 16:26:36 GMT -8
My problem with the whole affair -
There was more than adequate time for the Stewards to assess the evidence during the Red Flag and implement penalties starting with the Restart.
Waiting for 15 racing laps to 'render' their decision was inexcusable.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 16:27:15 GMT -8
I think the crux of RedBull's argument will be how Hamilton was able to get past Leclerc in the same corner without colliding. Pretty thin, but hey, it's worth a shot. If I remember correctly, Charlie didn't give Lewis much of a challenge and stayed well away from him. Since he witnessed the first lap debacle he probably didn't want to get sent into the wall too. Leclerc took a nearly identical line through the corner as Verstappen with Hamilton also in a nearly an identical position but miraculously Hamilton was able to avoid hitting Leclerc. |
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 28, 2021 17:16:59 GMT -8
^Lulu actually found the apex that time but (as you saw) Chuck ended up off track because "he was leaving room" like we've heard over and over again from some. So you see you don't HAVE to be ahead to pass someone, you just have to put their safety in jeopardy. History shows Hamilton is very good at that.
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Post by Boomer on Jul 28, 2021 17:30:42 GMT -8
^Lulu actually found the apex that time but (as you saw) Chuck ended up off track because "he was leaving room" like we've heard over and over again from some. So you see you don't HAVE to be ahead to pass someone, you just have to put their safety in jeopardy. History shows Hamilton is very good at that. "History shows again and again... go, go 'Lewzilla'!" - BÖC 
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 28, 2021 18:28:14 GMT -8
^ Don't Fear the Reaper also applies.  |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 29, 2021 5:12:31 GMT -8
^Lulu actually found the apex that time but (as you saw) Chuck ended up off track because "he was leaving room" like we've heard over and over again from some. So you see you don't HAVE to be ahead to pass someone, you just have to put their safety in jeopardy. History shows Hamilton is very good at that. Charles also started the turn from the far left of the track, whereas Max was about center track and forcing Lewis to start the corner from far inside. |
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Post by Red_Hercules on Jul 29, 2021 7:18:38 GMT -8
^Lulu actually found the apex that time but (as you saw) Chuck ended up off track because "he was leaving room" like we've heard over and over again from some. So you see you don't HAVE to be ahead to pass someone, you just have to put their safety in jeopardy. History shows Hamilton is very good at that. "History shows again and again... go, go 'Lewzilla'!" - BÖC
Go ahead, make me feel old! LOL! |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 29, 2021 8:36:12 GMT -8
^Lulu actually found the apex that time but (as you saw) Chuck ended up off track because "he was leaving room" like we've heard over and over again from some. So you see you don't HAVE to be ahead to pass someone, you just have to put their safety in jeopardy. History shows Hamilton is very good at that. Charles also started the turn from the far left of the track, whereas Max was about center track and forcing Lewis to start the corner from far inside. Nope, checkout all the angles on YouTube. Leclerc took the exact same line into that corner as Max, exact. The only think that changes was Lewis took a very different one. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 29, 2021 8:44:36 GMT -8
Charles also started the turn from the far left of the track, whereas Max was about center track and forcing Lewis to start the corner from far inside. Nope, checkout all the angles on YouTube. Leclerc took the exact same line into that corner as Max, exact. The only think that changes was Lewis took a very different one. I just watched the link here; Charles is clearly out wide on the entrance to the corner. Max was about mid track (much farther to the right than when he normally took the corner because he had pushed Lewis inside) |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 29, 2021 8:46:19 GMT -8
Nope, checkout all the angles on YouTube. Leclerc took the exact same line into that corner as Max, exact. The only think that changes was Lewis took a very different one. I just watched the link here; Charles is clearly out wide on the entrance to the corner. Max was about mid track (much farther to the right than when he normally took the corner because he had pushed Lewis inside) Nope, their line through the corner was the same. Both left equal space for Lewis. |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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