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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 27, 2021 9:38:28 GMT -8
The second one clearly shows how far to the left of a normal line Lewis was. It was either intentional or really fucking stupid.
Pick one.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 27, 2021 10:53:25 GMT -8
Have you all seen an analysis of how far Hamilton deviated from his line at Brooklands to avoid clash on that first lap? Max was on his hip; front tire to rear tire, but Hamilton went way outside to avoid the crash, letting Max through. 1:12 - 1:17 of this video. That’s great Hamilton left Max racing room and Max avoided hitting Hamilton. So what happen in the next corner when Verstappen left Hamilton racing room and Hamilton still hit Max? |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 27, 2021 11:06:32 GMT -8
Have you all seen an analysis of how far Hamilton deviated from his line at Brooklands to avoid clash on that first lap? Max was on his hip; front tire to rear tire, but Hamilton went way outside to avoid the crash, letting Max through. 1:12 - 1:17 of this video. That’s great Hamilton left Max racing room and Max avoided hitting Hamilton. So what happen in the next corner when Verstappen left Hamilton racing room and Hamilton still hit Max? Lewis left about two car widths, Max left about 1.5. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 27, 2021 11:12:25 GMT -8
That’s great Hamilton left Max racing room and Max avoided hitting Hamilton. So what happen in the next corner when Verstappen left Hamilton racing room and Hamilton still hit Max? Lewis left about two car widths, Max left about 1.5. Sure, prove those measurements. The fact remains. Max left plenty of room and Lewis hit him anyway. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 27, 2021 12:11:33 GMT -8
Just look at the videos. They are right there in front of you. Max turned in knowing that Lewis was there. There was plenty of room for him on the outside just as Lewis had given but then Max would have lost the lead and he did not want to. Perhaps that is the difference between a 7x WDC and Max.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 27, 2021 12:15:02 GMT -8
Just look at the videos. They are right there in front of you. Max turned in knowing that Lewis was there. There was plenty of room for him on the outside just as Lewis had given but then Max would have lost the lead and he did not want to. Perhaps that is the difference between a 7x WDC and Max. The facts remain the same. Max left plenty of room and Lewis hit him anyway. Lewis is only a 7x WDC because he was driving a Mercedes. Put several other drivers on the current grid in the same cars and they would be 7x WDCs too. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 27, 2021 12:19:31 GMT -8
The facts remain the same; Max did not finish the race and Lewis hauled in a bunch of points. Max could have avoided it but he chose not to.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 27, 2021 12:26:11 GMT -8
The facts remain the same; Max did not finish the race and Lewis hauled in a bunch of points. Max could have avoided it but he chose not to. No, Max left room and Lewis hit him anyway because Lewis is desperate and an average driver when in an average car and he knows it. This entire season is proof of that. Lewis can only win by taking Max out of the race. Pathetic. |
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 27, 2021 12:39:43 GMT -8
Just look at the videos. They are right there in front of you. Max turned in knowing that Lewis was there. There was plenty of room for him on the outside just as Lewis had given but then Max would have lost the lead and he did not want to. Perhaps that is the difference between a 7x WDC and Max. Where exactly was Max supposed to go at 170 mph plus? He was already in jeopardy of running wide at the exit so i think he gave more than enough. And comparing that turn to the earlier much slower one doesn't wash. I mean i understand you want to give lulu the benefit of the doubt but where does it end? All max's responsibility was was to leave him racing room, which he did. The 7 time WDC over drove the corner, period. to say he should have been given EVEN MORE room is ridiculous. Say what you want about his accomplishments but lulu has made some low percentage moves in his career that didn't work out the way he thought they would, this was one of them. |
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 27, 2021 12:41:07 GMT -8
The facts remain the same; Max did not finish the race and Lewis hauled in a bunch of points. Max could have avoided it but he chose not to. And there you have it, the ends justifies the means. i hope we all remember this in the future. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 27, 2021 12:54:53 GMT -8
If you look at 1:15 in the video, Max is apexing and there is about 1 1/2 cars widths between them. If you look at 2:25 in the video, there is about 1/2 car width on the inside for Lewis (and closing). Sure, Max was not judged primarily at fault but I am sure he felt great knowing that he was more right than wrong as he sat in the hospital and watched Lewis win the race. What's that saying? To finish first, first you must finish. Don't worry, I am sure Lewis will get punted soon.
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 27, 2021 12:59:08 GMT -8
Just look at the videos. They are right there in front of you. Max turned in knowing that Lewis was there. There was plenty of room for him on the outside just as Lewis had given but then Max would have lost the lead and he did not want to. Perhaps that is the difference between a 7x WDC and Max. Where exactly was Max supposed to go at 170 mph plus? He was already in jeopardy of running wide at the exit so i think he gave more than enough. And comparing that turn to the earlier much slower one doesn't wash. I mean i understand you want to give lulu the benefit of the doubt but where does it end? All max's responsibility was was to leave him racing room, which he did. The 7 time WDC over drove the corner, period. to say he should have been given EVEN MORE room is ridiculous. Say what you want about his accomplishments but lulu has made some low percentage moves in his career that didn't work out the way he thought they would, this was one of them. He could, I don't know, slow a bit like Lewis did. Again, this was in response the analysis that Carlo posted showing how far out Max was from his normal line. My point is simple; Lewis was even FARTHER out from his normal line in the previous-ish corner so they avoided a collision. He could have closed that corner down much more but he chose not to. Why do you think he chose not to squeeze more? My guess is because he knew if they touched there he would be hosed. Max could have done the same but chose not to, which is why he received some of the blame from the stewards. But whatever. I am interested in this line of argument from RB that Lewis was going faster in that corner than he did in the other laps (as if that somehow makes it Lewis' fault), when Max was going even faster than Lewis. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 27, 2021 13:38:02 GMT -8
If you look at 1:15 in the video, Max is apexing and there is about 1 1/2 cars widths between them. If you look at 2:25 in the video, there is about 1/2 car width on the inside for Lewis (and closing). Sure, Max was not judged primarily at fault but I am sure he felt great knowing that he was more right than wrong as he sat in the hospital and watched Lewis win the race. What's that saying? To finish first, first you must finish. Don't worry, I am sure Lewis will get punted soon. It all remains the same. Lewis is desperate and an average driver when in an average car and he knows it, and so is everyone else. This entire season is proof of that. Lewis can only win by taking Max out of the race. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Jul 27, 2021 13:44:13 GMT -8
^^ you can talk about it till the cows come home. But here are the facts. 1st, max left room. 2, lulu hit max. 3rd lulu got a penalty. 4th, the black flag saved his ass. 5th, he took 10 laps or whatever b-4 he did the 10 seconds and by then he was far enough ahead so it didn't make any difference.
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 27, 2021 13:54:26 GMT -8
Where exactly was Max supposed to go at 170 mph plus? He was already in jeopardy of running wide at the exit so i think he gave more than enough. And comparing that turn to the earlier much slower one doesn't wash. I mean i understand you want to give lulu the benefit of the doubt but where does it end? All max's responsibility was was to leave him racing room, which he did. The 7 time WDC over drove the corner, period. to say he should have been given EVEN MORE room is ridiculous. Say what you want about his accomplishments but lulu has made some low percentage moves in his career that didn't work out the way he thought they would, this was one of them. He could, I don't know, slow a bit like Lewis did. Again, this was in response the analysis that Carlo posted showing how far out Max was from his normal line. My point is simple; Lewis was even FARTHER out from his normal line in the previous-ish corner so they avoided a collision. He could have closed that corner down much more but he chose not to. Why do you think he chose not to squeeze more? My guess is because he knew if they touched there he would be hosed. Max could have done the same but chose not to, which is why he received some of the blame from the stewards. But whatever. I am interested in this line of argument from RB that Lewis was going faster in that corner than he did in the other laps (as if that somehow makes it Lewis' fault), when Max was going even faster than Lewis. In Brooklands Max kept HIS car under control, in Copse Hamilton didn't. The excessive (off line) speed (that RB pointed out) compared to other laps is proof he went in to hot, that was a bigger factor in what cause the accident than anything max did. In fact Max took evasive action and was STILL hit . And as i said before there's a much wider margin for error in a slower turn like Brookands than a faster one like Copse, lulu had more latitude to give room there. |
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 27, 2021 13:56:16 GMT -8
^^ you can talk about it till the cows come home. But here are the facts. 1st, max left room. 2, lulu hit max. 3rd lulu got a penalty. 4th, the black flag saved his ass. 5th, he took 10 laps or whatever b-4 he did the 10 seconds and by then he was far enough ahead so it didn't make any difference. ...6th, he was driving a car that was MORE than fast enough to make up a mere 10 seconds. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 27, 2021 14:32:54 GMT -8
When I am in a roundabout and have the right of way and a car comes barreling into the circle anyway, I give way even though they would be at fault if they hit me.
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 27, 2021 14:33:36 GMT -8
^^ you can talk about it till the cows come home. But here are the facts. 1st, max left room. 2, lulu hit max. 3rd lulu got a penalty. 4th, the black flag saved his ass. 5th, he took 10 laps or whatever b-4 he did the 10 seconds and by then he was far enough ahead so it didn't make any difference. Oh, I know he got a penalty. I am pointing out that the penalty recognized (as did fellow drivers) that Max made some choices there that contributed. That's all. |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 27, 2021 15:47:29 GMT -8
I'm waiting to see if Red Bull's new evidence is Karun Chandhok.
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Post by wayfast on Jul 27, 2021 16:10:05 GMT -8
When I am in a roundabout and have the right of way and a car comes barreling into the circle anyway, I give way even though they would be at fault if they hit me. Don't get me started on roundabouts! They are the new big thing in our area and they are putting several of them in. 90% of the people don't know how to drive through them or who has the right away. |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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