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Post by mikey on Jun 23, 2021 15:10:01 GMT -8
As a vendor - they can set the use parameters of their products and if those products are brought into question as to their suitability - they would be remiss if they didn't set up use testing procedures so that they can protect their own asses. Pirelli did change the inflation pressure between Baku and Paul Ricard so they are setting parameter with the FIA's blessing and authority. Pirelli the vendor is proposing a stiffer construction tire but of course it has to be with unanimous team approval. it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-pirelli-prepara-una-gomma-con-la-costruzione-piu-rigida/6597021/And that will always be a problem as long as the Teams can veto any changes they don't like. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 23, 2021 15:21:13 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 23, 2021 15:22:13 GMT -8
And that will always be a problem as long as the Teams can veto any changes they don't like. That ends after this season. Except for Ferrari of course. |
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Post by boomer on Jun 23, 2021 15:23:52 GMT -8
"The intention is to carry out a collective resolution test in a free practice session"... WTF? Try this in a "Real- official test session"  |
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Post by jmjgt on Jun 23, 2021 15:55:00 GMT -8
No it won't because the FIA still needs a clear picture of the ACTUAL pressures the teams are putting into the tires hot or cold. Personally i think we're going to have to wait until the powers understand the new tires and cars before bans start being levied. F1 will be stepping into a whole new frame of reference. What can be more fair and clear than measuring the pressures with the tires at the ambient temperature of the location just before they are fitted to the car, immediately after which the car departs onto the track for laps in anger. The tire's blanket temps were never the problem. the teams giving erroneous pressure readings is/was. And measuring a tire that's been warmed to a standard set temp is more precise than relying an ambient one. If Pirelli say we want tire tires run at 20 psi at a blanket temp of 80 degrees C it removes all doubt and guess work. Without that bench mark one team will say the ambient in their garage WAS 2 degrees higher than the guys at the other end of the pits. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 23, 2021 16:02:28 GMT -8
What can be more fair and clear than measuring the pressures with the tires at the ambient temperature of the location just before they are fitted to the car, immediately after which the car departs onto the track for laps in anger. The tire's blanket temps were never the problem. the teams giving erroneous pressure readings is/was. And measuring a tire that's been warmed to a standard set temp is more precise than relying an ambient one. If Pirelli say we want tire tires run at 20 psi at a blanket temp of 80 degrees C it removes all doubt and guess work. Without that bench mark one team will say the ambient in their garage WAS 2 degrees higher than the guys at the other end of the pits. Can just as easily say the 'blanketed' temperature should be 32 degrees F. Sorry this is F1 - there is no way you TRUST team for accurate temperatures and conditions. |
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Post by jmjgt on Jun 23, 2021 16:05:42 GMT -8
The tire's blanket temps were never the problem. the teams giving erroneous pressure readings is/was. And measuring a tire that's been warmed to a standard set temp is more precise than relying an ambient one. If Pirelli say we want tire tires run at 20 psi at a blanket temp of 80 degrees C it removes all doubt and guess work. Without that bench mark one team will say the ambient in their garage WAS 2 degrees higher than the guys at the other end of the pits. Can just as easily say the 'blanketed' temperature should be 32 degrees F. Sorry this is F1 - there is no way you TRUST team for accurate temperatures and conditions. And that right there was Pirelli's biggest failing. |
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Post by Pistola on Jun 23, 2021 16:17:06 GMT -8
And that will always be a problem as long as the Teams can veto any changes they don't like. That ends after this season. Except for Ferrari of course. Sort of. As I remember it will still take 8 of the 10 teams agreeing to push through changes proposed by F1 and the FIA, except in the case of safety. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 23, 2021 16:58:07 GMT -8
That ends after this season. Except for Ferrari of course. Sort of. As I remember it will still take 8 of the 10 teams agreeing to push through changes proposed by F1 and the FIA, except in the case of safety. I thought it was 6 of the 10. A majority. |
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Post by Pistola on Jun 23, 2021 17:17:23 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 23, 2021 18:05:02 GMT -8
I am sure there will clarity on it in short order. |
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Post by Pistola on Jun 23, 2021 18:35:26 GMT -8
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Post by jmjgt on Jun 23, 2021 20:13:33 GMT -8
BTW i actually don't mind the painted lines around this track, it's typically French as far as i'm concerned.
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Post by pushtopass on Jun 24, 2021 4:40:34 GMT -8
Lewis trailed Max closely for a number of laps after their first stops and could not get him. I don't think a repeat would have made a difference. If one of the Mercedes drivers had shadowed Max and followed him in for the second stop Max would then have had to deal with chasing down the leading Mercedes while also defending from the Mercedes that shadowed him on equal tires. By shadowing the second stop it would have put pressure on the pit stop and throughout the entire race. Everything Max did would be under pressure. Passing Perez, navigating back markers, etc... Amazingly Merc again affirms my analysis that Perez's position on the track negated the advantage of Hamilton or Bottas making a second stop. www.planetf1.com/news/sergio-perez-mercedes-strategy-french-grand-prix/ |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 24, 2021 5:10:19 GMT -8
If one of the Mercedes drivers had shadowed Max and followed him in for the second stop Max would then have had to deal with chasing down the leading Mercedes while also defending from the Mercedes that shadowed him on equal tires. By shadowing the second stop it would have put pressure on the pit stop and throughout the entire race. Everything Max did would be under pressure. Passing Perez, navigating back markers, etc... Amazingly Merc again affirms my analysis that Perez's position on the track negated the advantage of Hamilton or Bottas making a second stop. www.planetf1.com/news/sergio-perez-mercedes-strategy-french-grand-prix/ I don't believe them. They are just covering their inept asses. |
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