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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 15, 2021 7:04:20 GMT -8
Unless the Volkswagen group buys the entire McLaren Company, whole lot. There is no way a Porsche or Audi engine or branding is going in their F1 car or on it. Joe sewage is a moron. That's what the article is trying to say, that VW was thinking about buy the whole team, but neither Porsche or Audi had any interest in anything beyond an engine supply deal. And I could see Brown signing up for such a deal, but it would be a long term, pay even if you pull out early kind of thing. I just can't see any of it happening. The article is pure fiction IMHO. Typical Joe sewage Brit-centric BS. Porsche/Audi teaming up with RedBull/Alpha or Williams or Sauber or even Haas is so much more likely. McLaren's road cars have screwed the F1 team's partnership abilities. But I could be wrong.
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 15, 2021 18:13:09 GMT -8
That's what the article is trying to say, that VW was thinking about buy the whole team, but neither Porsche or Audi had any interest in anything beyond an engine supply deal. And I could see Brown signing up for such a deal, but it would be a long term, pay even if you pull out early kind of thing. I just can't see any of it happening. The article is pure fiction IMHO. Typical Joe sewage Brit-centric BS. Porsche/Audi teaming up with RedBull/Alpha or Williams or Sauber or even Haas is so much more likely. McLaren's road cars have screwed the F1 team's partnership abilities. But I could be wrong. I was actually talking about Porsche and Macca doing a deal, and i could see it being a race team agreement only, no road car tie in, no I.P. entanglements. As far as VW buying a team no that's not gonna happen. Their CEO is in full panic over Tesla opening their Germany gigafactory and flooding Europe with EV's before VW can realize their 50% EV sales goal in 2030. Saward is so far off the mark he doesn't realize VAG won't back either Porsche or Audi, they'll be paying their own way into the sport.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 16, 2021 5:54:18 GMT -8
I just can't see any of it happening. The article is pure fiction IMHO. Typical Joe sewage Brit-centric BS. Porsche/Audi teaming up with RedBull/Alpha or Williams or Sauber or even Haas is so much more likely. McLaren's road cars have screwed the F1 team's partnership abilities. But I could be wrong. I was actually talking about Porsche and Macca doing a deal, and i could see it being a race team agreement only, no road car tie in, no I.P. entanglements. As far as VW buying a team no that's not gonna happen. Their CEO is in full panic over Tesla opening their Germany gigafactory and flooding Europe with EV's before VW can realize their 50% EV sales goal in 2030. Saward is so far off the mark he doesn't realize VAG won't back either Porsche or Audi, they'll be paying their own way into the sport. If history is a guide there is no way Porsche will put their engine in a McLaren F1 car because McLaren automotive sells sports cars that directly compete with Porsche's road cars. But, again I could be wrong.
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Post by mikey on Oct 16, 2021 17:06:18 GMT -8
I was actually talking about Porsche and Macca doing a deal, and i could see it being a race team agreement only, no road car tie in, no I.P. entanglements. As far as VW buying a team no that's not gonna happen. Their CEO is in full panic over Tesla opening their Germany gigafactory and flooding Europe with EV's before VW can realize their 50% EV sales goal in 2030. Saward is so far off the mark he doesn't realize VAG won't back either Porsche or Audi, they'll be paying their own way into the sport. If history is a guide there is no way Porsche will put their engine in a McLaren F1 car because McLaren automotive sells sports cars that directly compete with Porsche's road cars. But, again I could be wrong. Who makes the engines for those McLaren cars now? Maybe a deal can be had if they are willing to 'talk'. If Porsche came with a good F1 engine then McLaren could put an engine in one, or more, of Mclaren's road cars too. A few one off models or even a long term deal could be beneficial for both IF the Porsche F1 engines are any good. Most car makers have engines in a certain model that is not available in any other model.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 17, 2021 6:13:09 GMT -8
If history is a guide there is no way Porsche will put their engine in a McLaren F1 car because McLaren automotive sells sports cars that directly compete with Porsche's road cars. But, again I could be wrong. Who makes the engines for those McLaren cars now? Maybe a deal can be had if they are willing to 'talk'. If Porsche came with a good F1 engine then McLaren could put an engine in one, or more, of Mclaren's road cars too. A few one off models or even a long term deal could be beneficial for both IF the Porsche F1 engines are any good. Most car makers have engines in a certain model that is not available in any other model. The engines for McLaren road cars are manufactured by Ricardo a British company from a McLaren design. The only way a Porsche engine will be in a McLaren road car or an F1 car is if all of McLaren becomes part of the VW Group.
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Post by Red_Hercules on Oct 17, 2021 13:57:09 GMT -8
Who makes the engines for those McLaren cars now? Maybe a deal can be had if they are willing to 'talk'. If Porsche came with a good F1 engine then McLaren could put an engine in one, or more, of Mclaren's road cars too. A few one off models or even a long term deal could be beneficial for both IF the Porsche F1 engines are any good. Most car makers have engines in a certain model that is not available in any other model. The engines for McLaren road cars are manufactured by Ricardo a British company from a McLaren design. The only way a Porsche engine will be in a McLaren road car or an F1 car is if all of McLaren becomes part of the VW Group. I am with you on this. I don't understand the attempts by people to LINK -- VW Group and McLaren. McLaren is a roadgoing car company as well as an F1 team. They do not want to give up their road car division up in order to get engines from VW. Why would they? And everything I've read in Car Magazines and online do not suggest that the road car division is in trouble of being sold, merged, consolidated, etc.
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 17, 2021 18:24:07 GMT -8
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Post by Boomer on Oct 18, 2021 8:28:09 GMT -8
^ What a load of crapp! E-10 Ha!
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Post by Pistola on Oct 18, 2021 8:51:39 GMT -8
I'm sure that's just Stefano doing his job.
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 18, 2021 10:01:03 GMT -8
I'm sure that's just Stefano doing his job. .....and doing it well. Stefano mentions the E10 will be made from British food as it's nothing but Biomass slop.
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Post by mikey on Oct 18, 2021 16:05:34 GMT -8
I'm sure that's just Stefano doing his job. .....and doing it well. Stefano mentions the E10 will be made from British food as it's nothing but Biomass slop. Did you see the Dirty Jobs episode about Las Vegas buffet food and what they do with the throwaways? It's cool they haul it all out to cow and pig farms and the animals LOVE the ice cream the best, but they get everything that doesn't get eaten.
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Post by Pistola on Oct 21, 2021 8:01:02 GMT -8
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 21, 2021 8:27:42 GMT -8
I wonder how Honda (or anyone) would know if Red Bull used some of the Honda technology?
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Post by Boomer on Oct 21, 2021 8:47:41 GMT -8
Thats Right! "That's right," Yamamoto confirms again.
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 21, 2021 8:51:29 GMT -8
I wonder how Honda (or anyone) would know if Red Bull used some of the Honda technology? Simple, Honda still owns all of the drawings and design files and will most likely petition the FIA to compare the data to the designs RB (and whoever they partner with) are required to submit to Masi's tech crew. There's already been rumors of Honda rejoining the sport after it gets its EV program on solid ground so keeping the current ICE's design out of competitors hands is a wise decision.
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Post by Pistola on Oct 21, 2021 10:41:49 GMT -8
I truly shocked that anyone would suggest that Red Bull or a future technical partner would be involved in anything as dishonest as stealing IP. Sheesh......McLaren.
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Post by Pistola on Nov 8, 2021 19:29:42 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Nov 8, 2021 19:55:54 GMT -8
Personally I see Porsche and Audi co-developing an F1 engine. Audi's branded engine goes into the McLaren cars, Porsche's goes into RedBull's and Alpha Tauri's. If the VW Group does buy an F1 team it will not be McLaren. It will be Williams.
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Post by Pistola on Nov 8, 2021 21:17:20 GMT -8
I forgot we have a pu thread. Fixed.
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Post by olderguysrule on Nov 12, 2021 11:00:00 GMT -8
someone correct me if I'm wrong. But the way I remember, the spec engine that the teams use in the last race of the season will be the spec powertrain for the the next 4 years. So merc has problems with their engines this year. they'll prolly be able to make changes for reliability but basically this powertrain is what they're gonna have till 2026. I think they may have some long term problems
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