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Post by jmjgt on Sept 28, 2021 18:09:31 GMT -8
True, but Porsche hasn't run their own factory race team since the early 1970s. They hire/partner with a race team and then stock it Porsche Motorsports cars, equipment, drivers and engineers and then call it the "factory team". Teaming up with RedBull is perfect. They can smack a Porsche badge on that formerly Honda PU and call it job done and boom a Porsche Motorsports engine is born/absconded. The Porsche-Piech family is the thriftiest on earth, seriously thrifty and serious super super wealthy because of it. 9th richest family in the world. I have no idea how Audi ran their their factory race teams. I think as a matter of pride Porsche will continue with the V6 project they've already started, Audi will start writing checks payable to the Bulls. Neither will even think about paying into Liberty's racketeering scheme by starting a team though, most likely part of Audi's money will go into valve cover logo design and Porsche will leverage a team (Macca, Williams) away from Merc. BTW if any mod wants to re-brand this thread as a 2025-26 PU thread be my guest.
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Post by Boomer on Sept 28, 2021 18:10:54 GMT -8
True, but Porsche hasn't run their own factory race team since the early 1970s. They hire/partner with a race team and then stock it Porsche Motorsports cars, equipment, drivers and engineers and then call it the "factory team". Teaming up with RedBull is perfect. They can smack a Porsche badge on that formerly Honda PU and call it job done and boom a Porsche Motorsports engine is born/absconded. The Porsche-Piech family is the thriftiest on earth, seriously thrifty and serious super super wealthy because of it. 9th richest family in the world. I have no idea how Audi ran their their factory race teams. Porsche, Audi, etc. are all Piëch family owned companies. 'They' have the money.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 29, 2021 5:23:26 GMT -8
True, but Porsche hasn't run their own factory race team since the early 1970s. They hire/partner with a race team and then stock it Porsche Motorsports cars, equipment, drivers and engineers and then call it the "factory team". Teaming up with RedBull is perfect. They can smack a Porsche badge on that formerly Honda PU and call it job done and boom a Porsche Motorsports engine is born/absconded. The Porsche-Piech family is the thriftiest on earth, seriously thrifty and serious super super wealthy because of it. 9th richest family in the world. I have no idea how Audi ran their their factory race teams. Porsche, Audi, etc. are all Piëch family owned companies. 'They' have the money.They are actually Porsche family owned companies. The Piech name only became involve through marriage. Yes, they have the money. But as I laid out in my post they are incredibly thrifty(cheap).
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Post by Pistola on Sept 29, 2021 7:04:09 GMT -8
True, but Porsche hasn't run their own factory race team since the early 1970s. They hire/partner with a race team and then stock it Porsche Motorsports cars, equipment, drivers and engineers and then call it the "factory team". Teaming up with RedBull is perfect. They can smack a Porsche badge on that formerly Honda PU and call it job done and boom a Porsche Motorsports engine is born/absconded. The Porsche-Piech family is the thriftiest on earth, seriously thrifty and serious super super wealthy because of it. 9th richest family in the world. I have no idea how Audi ran their their factory race teams. Those are the facts but what also happens is you are never known as anything but the supplier of the lump in the back. Case in point which should be easy to remember is Renault and Red Bull. Even during the glory years Renault was never at partner level only a supplier who got little credit after a win and lots of blame when the winning stopped. Not that they didn't deserve a lot of it but it's not a good position to have. Owning a team under the new agreements is supposed to be a wise investment with good upsides and good returns when or if the team goes back on the market. If the family is so thrifty they have to at least think long and hard about the huge expenditure of building an engine which only gives back 15 mil from any customer. I have to also consider that Honda probably has all sorts of riders on what RB can and cannot do with marketing on the present engine.
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 29, 2021 9:10:58 GMT -8
^I don't think Red Bull's current PU will be part of any tie in with another manufacturer because Honda has already offered ongoing support after they officially pull out. Most of that support will probably be rebuilds on RB's dime so the new PU facilities will be more responsible for the 2025-26 PU than working on the current one. If (and when) RB finds a partner is the big question, right now it looks like they're just getting the dyno's in and I think I remember a story from a while back about having manufacturing capacity by this month.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 29, 2021 9:14:50 GMT -8
Yes, it is all conjecture at this point.
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 29, 2021 14:28:25 GMT -8
I'll be happy with whatever pisses wolffy off the most.
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Post by Pistola on Oct 1, 2021 7:28:40 GMT -8
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Post by Pistola on Oct 1, 2021 7:30:08 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 1, 2021 8:49:38 GMT -8
My prediction, which is worth what is it worth ;), RedBull, Alpha and maybe Williams all go Porsche/Audi.
Still think the Honda PUs at RB and AT will get Porsche/Audi branding before 2026. Maybe as soon as 2022 or 2023.
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Post by olderguysrule on Oct 1, 2021 10:27:50 GMT -8
^^ My take. For what it's worth. Prolly not much. :-) There'll prolly be a financial fiasco at Porsche or where ever in their auto group and they'll stall and then bail out. :-)
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Post by Pistola on Oct 1, 2021 13:30:10 GMT -8
^^ My take. For what it's worth. Prolly not much. :-) There'll prolly be a financial fiasco at Porsche or where ever in their auto group and they'll stall and then bail out. :-) There'll probably be a petrolgate to derail their plans.
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 1, 2021 16:48:55 GMT -8
Just make energy recovery free and let the teams figure things out on their own.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 1, 2021 18:02:18 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 5, 2021 18:27:26 GMT -8
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 14, 2021 20:18:17 GMT -8
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Post by mikey on Oct 15, 2021 3:17:13 GMT -8
^I don't think Red Bull's current PU will be part of any tie in with another manufacturer because Honda has already offered ongoing support after they officially pull out. Most of that support will probably be rebuilds on RB's dime so the new PU facilities will be more responsible for the 2025-26 PU than working on the current one. If (and when) RB finds a partner is the big question, right now it looks like they're just getting the dyno's in and I think I remember a story from a while back about having manufacturing capacity by this month. The question is will they be required by the FIA to also supply other Teams if they ask, I think I remember both Ferrari and Mercedes were required to share their pu with upto 3 other Teams at cost. That was back when Ferrari tried to give Red Bull year old engines and the FIA stepped in and said 'only current pu's can be supplied not last years etc ones'.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 15, 2021 5:46:20 GMT -8
Unless the Volkswagen group buys the entire McLaren Company, whole lot. There is no way a Porsche or Audi engine or branding is going in their F1 car or on it. Joe sewage is a moron.
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 15, 2021 6:21:53 GMT -8
^I don't think Red Bull's current PU will be part of any tie in with another manufacturer because Honda has already offered ongoing support after they officially pull out. Most of that support will probably be rebuilds on RB's dime so the new PU facilities will be more responsible for the 2025-26 PU than working on the current one. If (and when) RB finds a partner is the big question, right now it looks like they're just getting the dyno's in and I think I remember a story from a while back about having manufacturing capacity by this month. The question is will they be required by the FIA to also supply other Teams if they ask, I think I remember both Ferrari and Mercedes were required to share their pu with upto 3 other Teams at cost. That was back when Ferrari tried to give Red Bull year old engines and the FIA stepped in and said 'only current pu's can be supplied not last years etc ones'. The whole engins supply requirement is out the window because even now there are more suppliers than teams to supply to. 4 supplers at 3 teams each equal 12 teams, yet there are only 10 teams right now. Porsche and Audi joining will only throw the ratio off further.
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 15, 2021 6:31:51 GMT -8
Unless the Volkswagen group buys the entire McLaren Company, whole lot. There is no way a Porsche or Audi engine or branding is going in their F1 car or on it. Joe sewage is a moron. That's what the article is trying to say, that VW was thinking about buy the whole team, but neither Porsche or Audi had any interest in anything beyond an engine supply deal. And I could see Brown signing up for such a deal, but it would be a long term, pay even if you pull out early kind of thng.
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