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Post by pushtopass on May 28, 2021 12:53:07 GMT -8
Well it sure ain't Bottas Have you forgot what George Russell did in that car already? Replace Bottas the doormat with any number of competent drivers and they will win just as many races as Hamilton and Rosberg. The car is doing the winning. I know you believe it is just the car. Other drivers have repeatedly pointed out the difficulty of maintaining a high level of performance week after week, year after year, no matter how good the car is. Button just said it again today. Hungary last year, for instance. Keep your nose clean, judge the risks appropriately, let the race come to you. Max is fast as hell but he could not pull that off. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on May 28, 2021 13:05:11 GMT -8
Have you forgot what George Russell did in that car already? Replace Bottas the doormat with any number of competent drivers and they will win just as many races as Hamilton and Rosberg. The car is doing the winning. I know you believe it is just the car. Other drivers have repeatedly pointed out the difficulty of maintaining a high level of performance week after week, year after year, no matter how good the car is. Button just said it again today. Hungary last year, for instance. Keep your nose clean, judge the risks appropriately, let the race come to you. Max is fast as hell but he could not pull that off. I never said it is just the car. Bottas the doormat proves it's not just the car. But the fact is there are several other drivers on the current grid that could produce the same result as Lewis if they had been driving a Mercedes the past 8 years. You know this is true. Russell proved it. In the past 8 years how many WDCs would Lewis have won if he wasn't driving for Mercedes? Answer is probably zero. You need a top car and a top team to win championships. The Mercedes team and car are the best F1 has ever seen. Has Max ever been in the fastest car on the grid? Answer, no. Being in the fastest car makes driver consistency a whole lot easier. |
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Post by pushtopass on May 28, 2021 13:44:35 GMT -8
And again, other F1 drivers dispute that. I personally take their word for it since they know the sport from the inside better than either of us.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on May 28, 2021 14:38:49 GMT -8
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Post by jmjgt on May 28, 2021 14:57:59 GMT -8
These rumors are such BS. If Merc doesn't have a good handle on who Lewis is by now then they do not deserve to win. Hamilton needs to get a handle on the new people pulling the strings, the driver salary cap should have been a fair warning that they won't put his brand ahead of their own. "We win and lose as a team" cuts both ways, lulu needs to suck this one up. |
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Post by pushtopass on May 28, 2021 16:12:07 GMT -8
And again, look at Hungary. He drove the shit out of that race. And you think that Lewis has learned nothing since he was back at Mclaren with Button? Button knows that Lewis has become the complete driver. Max is getting there. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on May 28, 2021 16:48:49 GMT -8
And again, look at Hungary. He drove the shit out of that race. And you think that Lewis has learned nothing since he was back at Mclaren with Button? Button knows that Lewis has become the complete driver. Max is getting there. Why do I have to look at Hungary when Monaco, the ultimate driver's circuit and huge Lewis failure, just happened? If Lewis is now such a complete driver how come he couldn't get his car set up for Monaco while Bottas could? And I am still waiting for those other driver comments you mentioned. |
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Post by pushtopass on May 30, 2021 7:13:50 GMT -8
www.planetf1.com/news/jenson-button-max-verstappen-lewis-hamilton-complete/ That was the recent one. We have seen others. Lewis has won three times at Monaco with two different teams. Same number of Monaco victories as Moss and Stewart. But it is true that it has never been his best circuit. I am not sure if I would consider it the best "driver's circuit", either. Especially compared to a super slick track like Hungary in the wet.
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Post by Pistola on Jun 12, 2021 17:03:04 GMT -8
Rumoring around: Ocon to stay at Alpine with a French GP announcement, Hamilton will most likely sign another 1 year contract at Mercedes, Russell to be announced at Silverstone for the Bottas seat, it's going to be hard for anybody to get Perez out at RB so Gasly and Tsunoda will continue at Alpha Taura, Haas is set, ditto Aston, Alfa Romeo is mysterious, McLaren is set, Ferrari is set, leaving only Williams looking for someone to partner Latifi.
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Post by mikey on Jun 12, 2021 19:51:44 GMT -8
I'm not sure Bottas would humble himself to do that but he may if Williams throws enough respect his way, maybe the #1 car status but salary is limited so he needs to be rich enough to drive for the fun of it again.
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Post by jmjgt on Jun 12, 2021 20:13:45 GMT -8
Gio is a lock at Alfa and Kimi will stay until Mick is ready to move up, Ferrari shoots a new cadet through the academy...or he figures he'd rather stay home and drink.
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Post by wayfast on Jun 13, 2021 3:17:45 GMT -8
Rumoring around: Ocon to stay at Alpine with a French GP announcement, Hamilton will most likely sign another 1 year contract at Mercedes, Russell to be announced at Silverstone for the Bottas seat, it's going to be hard for anybody to get Perez out at RB so Gasly and Tsunoda will continue at Alpha Taura, Haas is set, ditto Aston, Alfa Romeo is mysterious, McLaren is set, Ferrari is set, leaving only Williams looking for someone to partner Latifi. Perhaps Bottas will go to Williams as #2 driver to Latifi. |
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Post by mikey on Jun 13, 2021 4:27:12 GMT -8
Rumoring around: Ocon to stay at Alpine with a French GP announcement, Hamilton will most likely sign another 1 year contract at Mercedes, Russell to be announced at Silverstone for the Bottas seat, it's going to be hard for anybody to get Perez out at RB so Gasly and Tsunoda will continue at Alpha Taura, Haas is set, ditto Aston, Alfa Romeo is mysterious, McLaren is set, Ferrari is set, leaving only Williams looking for someone to partner Latifi. Perhaps Bottas will go to Williams as #2 driver to Latifi. After leaving Mercedes would YOU? That's a pretty far fall down the ladder to go from #2 at Mercedes to #2 at Williams. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jun 13, 2021 6:23:58 GMT -8
I could see Bottas doing a season at Williams to help them sort out their new car (of course, we know that is not worth anything because the driver is not important).
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Post by Pistola on Jun 13, 2021 8:19:36 GMT -8
I could see Bottas doing a season at Williams to help them sort out their new car (of course, we know that is not worth anything because the driver is not important). Maybe, he has done a splendid job sorting out this years car.  |
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Post by pushtopass on Jun 13, 2021 8:23:05 GMT -8
I could see Bottas doing a season at Williams to help them sort out their new car (of course, we know that is not worth anything because the driver is not important). Maybe, he has done a splendid job sorting out this years car. to be fair, even with him driving the Merc is generally faster than the Williams :-) |
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Post by Pistola on Jun 13, 2021 8:38:10 GMT -8
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Post by mikey on Jun 13, 2021 15:32:31 GMT -8
I can see him in single seat car but a different series |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 14, 2021 6:26:26 GMT -8
I could see Bottas doing a season at Williams to help them sort out their new car (of course, we know that is not worth anything because the driver is not important). The drivers are important, just not in the ways you think they are. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jun 14, 2021 10:47:40 GMT -8
I could see Bottas doing a season at Williams to help them sort out their new car (of course, we know that is not worth anything because the driver is not important). The drivers are important, just not in the ways you think they are. I think you do not get the sense of what I think :-) I mean, I know the car is important. And if an average driver gets into a far superior car then sure, the car is important. My assertion is that drivers also have to "fit" within a team. Not just showing up, driving the car, walking away. They need to provide accurate feedback on how the car is handling and that means knowing something about how this particular car works mechanically and aerodynamically. That is also important and one of the ways that you get, or maintain, a superior car. It also means race craft. Managing fuel, managing tires, turning off the magic brake button, understanding how a race develops. These are all why a person who may be "fast" struggles for a few years. Tsunoda for instance. Even Max when he arrived. You have stated something like 90 technical, 10 driver. I would put it closer to 70/30. I also do not think it has changed substantially over the time or in any race series. Heck, this was discussed in a Tom Cruise movie more than 30 years ago. A superior driver in a piece of crap car likely will not win, and a moderate-level driver in a superior driver probably will. But I view the cars in F1 as quite overlapped as to what can be done over a season, such that while I do not expect a Haas driver this year to win, we can see what someone like Russell can do with a Williams. He puts it higher up the grid than his teammate and probably finishes better than it has a right to do. There have been a few years where Merc is clearly superior, but others recently where that is not the case. Other cars in those years (including this one) overlapped in the "car+team+driver = race winner" formula. |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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