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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 2, 2020 12:58:46 GMT -8
Shit happens. Today's drivers have virtually no respect for the track as the tracks have had their bite neutered. The only track that comes near retaining its bite is Monaco. No driver is going to willingly plow into another one to respect some draconian idea, that's just silly. They also won't agree with driving on a track deliberately designed to physically incapacitate a car if it leaves the road even slightly. It's up to the officials and stewards to set and police track limits and they need to apply those limits from the first second of the race weekend to keep the drivers from developing bad habits in the first place. We saw this weekend how a deleted lap effected Hamilton's race, that punishment was enough to fit the crime. What you're talking about would only make racing boring and processional, we need them to have the sense of pushing the limits, not respecting borders. As Brundle once said "the main difference between staying on and going off at the exit is what bit of track you aim for". Why bother? Dumb is dumb. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 2, 2020 14:39:21 GMT -8
Which is a deterrent for drivers trying to expand the track - exceeding track limits. Safety is in the drivers hands and feet, not painted lines. Is the FIA trying to create a 'Stewards Full Employment' situation? I would love to see paid Stewards and then require them to attend training etc sessions so that we get consistency across the whole season from track to track. I think Massi has tried to do some of that with track limits but it takes time and money. Maybe it's something the new CEO can work on. This is what I've been preaching for years. Trained, traveling stewards. You're never going to get any kind of standardization in enforcement when you have a completely different group of guys each week, likely with little or no training. Hell, they aren't even looking for the same kinds of infractions from race to race. |
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Post by mikey on Oct 2, 2020 15:31:26 GMT -8
I would love to see paid Stewards and then require them to attend training etc sessions so that we get consistency across the whole season from track to track. I think Massi has tried to do some of that with track limits but it takes time and money. Maybe it's something the new CEO can work on. This is what I've been preaching for years. Trained, traveling stewards. You're never going to get any kind of standardization in enforcement when you have a completely different group of guys each week, likely with little or no training. Hell, they aren't even looking for the same kinds of infractions from race to race. Agreed I don't have any problem with it not being the exact same people for all 22, or whatever, races either, they can have a rotating pool they just all need to be qualified and trained the same. The people can sign up for the races they want to attend and then someone higher up makes the choices just like work and vacations when there is a minimum staffing every day. I was going to say 'guys' but that would mean I was excluding women and I think they can do the job too, ie I think Susie Wolfe has enough F1 experience to know how an F1 car handles and how this move is intentional where that move was more car dynamics. I'm sure there are others but they aren't at the tip of my tongue. |
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Post by wayfast on Oct 2, 2020 15:56:21 GMT -8
I've always thought F1 should have the same stewards every week. You can't get any consistency with different people every week. I think there is more favoritism with different stewards.
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 2, 2020 18:13:21 GMT -8
I've always thought F1 should have the same stewards every week. You can't get any consistency with different people every week. I think there is more favoritism with different stewards. What if the same stewards are overtly bias towards Ferrari from the first race and we're all stuck with it for an entire season? Also, the Driver Steward is an ex Ferrari driver every race? |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 2, 2020 18:24:48 GMT -8
I've always thought F1 should have the same stewards every week. You can't get any consistency with different people every week. I think there is more favoritism with different stewards. Read the LeClerc got away with a practice start outside the designated area without penalty in a prior race. |
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Post by mikey on Oct 3, 2020 3:24:19 GMT -8
I've always thought F1 should have the same stewards every week. You can't get any consistency with different people every week. I think there is more favoritism with different stewards. What if the same stewards are overtly bias towards Ferrari from the first race and we're all stuck with it for an entire season? Also, the Driver Steward is an ex Ferrari driver every race? There are also alot of ex drivers that want to still stay in F1 anyway they can, it makes sense due to the commitment it takes to drive at that level, so a pool of stewards makes sense to me, it also means if one gets sick you aren't short or have to fill in with someone who's not trained. |
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Post by wayfast on Oct 3, 2020 3:33:25 GMT -8
I would think F1 would hire professionals that could do their job without bias. It is possible.
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 4, 2020 16:14:37 GMT -8
They have a traveling set of medical, management and safety personnel; why not spring for another five (?) people to be permanent stewards. They can have a huge impact on a weekend.
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Post by mikey on Oct 4, 2020 17:54:19 GMT -8
It also gives the FIA control over their decisions and comments post race so they talk as one voice not someone saying 'it was a clusterfuck and I voted against any penalties but was overruled'. Training and OJT will get them all working together as a Team which is ideal so things get seen, evaluated and adjudacated promptly. I dislike the time it takes sometimes to come up with a decision, they could also provide an easy to use ie searchable rules book, past penalties and rulings database to help get things consistent.
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA