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Post by snuffmoviestar on Sept 28, 2020 15:31:48 GMT -8
Would anyone have expected the Stewards to come out and say 'Yes we are out to get Lewis Hamilton'? I would. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Sept 28, 2020 15:34:00 GMT -8
But the issue here was tires, not engine modes. At least for Lewis. I don't think party mode would have helped on Saturday, either. I've also not been convinced that only Merc had a party mode anyway. I cannot imagine why Ferrari or Renault or Honda would not have the capacity to turn their engines up a bit for a short time. Not having that would indicate that they are maximized all the time, which would be weird. Part of setting up the car is about setting it for what kind of traffic is expected. MB, being a normal front runner makes their set up decisions with the understanding that their cars will be in clean air in the lead. Getting 'trapped' back in the pack the clean air settings aren't as conducive to navigating traffic as other potential settings. The mid-field runners set their cars up for the mid-field contests they expect to be involved in. I don't think any team including Williams designs or sets up their cars for anything other than clean air. |
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 28, 2020 16:01:12 GMT -8
Yep, for sure they've done exactly that ... but the ban on multiple engine modes during the weekend doesn't allow them to just crank it all the way up during Qualy and then dial it down to "just enough" during the race. They have to pick a setting for all of Saturday & Sunday now. Doesn't change the order, but makes things a little less easy for them, esp when shit goes wrong. But the issue here was tires, not engine modes. At least for Lewis. I don't think party mode would have helped on Saturday, either. I've also not been convinced that only Merc had a party mode anyway. I cannot imagine why Ferrari or Renault or Honda would not have the capacity to turn their engines up a bit for a short time. Not having that would indicate that they are maximized all the time, which would be weird. We know Renault surely has, because Cyrel was complaining about the new regs wasting the money they'd spent developing it. |
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 28, 2020 16:08:33 GMT -8
Part of setting up the car is about setting it for what kind of traffic is expected. MB, being a normal front runner makes their set up decisions with the understanding that their cars will be in clean air in the lead. Getting 'trapped' back in the pack the clean air settings aren't as conducive to navigating traffic as other potential settings. The mid-field runners set their cars up for the mid-field contests they expect to be involved in. I don't think any team including Williams designs or sets up their cars for anything other than clean air. Design no , but set up absolutely. Remember when seb ran out of gas qualifying in Abu Dhabi and Red Bull changed his gearing to give him more top speed while drafting. The mid field teams still set their cars for stronger DRS and longer runs on harder compounds. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Sept 28, 2020 19:02:47 GMT -8
I don't think any team including Williams designs or sets up their cars for anything other than clean air. Design no , but set up absolutely. Remember when seb ran out of gas qualifying in Abu Dhabi and Red Bull changed his gearing to give him more top speed while drafting. The mid field teams still set their cars for stronger DRS and longer runs on harder compounds. The cars are in parc ferme conditions from P3 thru the end of the race in 2020. The teams can't "set up" their cars based on how they qualified. The only thing they can do is either add or reduce front wing or open or close up cooling venting. I don't remember what I ate yesterday. No memory of your example at all.  |
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 28, 2020 19:42:44 GMT -8
Design no , but set up absolutely. Remember when seb ran out of gas qualifying in Abu Dhabi and Red Bull changed his gearing to give him more top speed while drafting. The mid field teams still set their cars for stronger DRS and longer runs on harder compounds. The cars are in parc ferme conditions from P3 thru the end of the race in 2020. The teams can't "set up" their cars based on how they qualified. The only thing they can do is either add or reduce front wing or open or close up cooling venting. I don't remember what I ate yesterday. No memory of your example at all. It's not so much how they qualify as how they plan to race, look at those Alpha whatever's. They've been splitting their race strategies all season and setting the cars up accordingly. It's like they don't want the drivers to trip over each other. I had pasta BTW, apparently with HOT peppers.  |
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Post by mmi16 on Sept 28, 2020 20:02:10 GMT -8
Design no , but set up absolutely. Remember when seb ran out of gas qualifying in Abu Dhabi and Red Bull changed his gearing to give him more top speed while drafting. The mid field teams still set their cars for stronger DRS and longer runs on harder compounds. The cars are in parc ferme conditions from P3 thru the end of the race in 2020. The teams can't "set up" their cars based on how they qualified. The only thing they can do is either add or reduce front wing or open or close up cooling venting. I don't remember what I ate yesterday. No memory of your example at all. The mid-fielders know who they are and so does MB - they set their cars up based on their reasonable expectations. MB expects to be in clean air, the mid-fielders expect to be in disturbed air. parc ferme has no effect on how the cars get set up going into Q1. Once they start Q then parc ferme applies. |
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Post by Pistola on Sept 29, 2020 7:26:58 GMT -8
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 29, 2020 21:44:53 GMT -8
French Toast speaks. www.racefans.net/2020/09/29/slower-ferrari-only-beat-us-because-of-q3-tyre-rule-tost/So we may start seeing midfielders shooting for the top of the Q2 cut off on single runs to save tires. We've already seen the top of the grid squeezing through on the middle compounds now it's time for the 2nd tier to start the one stop wars. Like the Sky boys said soon Pirelli will have to start making tires out of old chewing gum to get multiple stops. |
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Post by pushtopass on Sept 30, 2020 10:51:03 GMT -8
French Toast speaks. www.racefans.net/2020/09/29/slower-ferrari-only-beat-us-because-of-q3-tyre-rule-tost/So we may start seeing midfielders shooting for the top of the Q2 cut off on single runs to save tires. We've already seen the top of the grid squeezing through on the middle compounds now it's time for the 2nd tier to start the one stop wars. Like the Sky boys said soon Pirelli will have to start making tires out of old chewing gum to get multiple stops. One of the commentators this weekend said something about how it is probably better to qualify 11th or 12th than 8-10, but 8-10 was better than 14-15. For this very reason. If you think you will be 9th or 10th in Q3 you may want to slow down a touch in Q2 (depending on the track and such, of course). |
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Post by mikey on Sept 30, 2020 13:40:58 GMT -8
French Toast speaks. www.racefans.net/2020/09/29/slower-ferrari-only-beat-us-because-of-q3-tyre-rule-tost/So we may start seeing midfielders shooting for the top of the Q2 cut off on single runs to save tires. We've already seen the top of the grid squeezing through on the middle compounds now it's time for the 2nd tier to start the one stop wars. Like the Sky boys said soon Pirelli will have to start making tires out of old chewing gum to get multiple stops. One of the commentators this weekend said something about how it is probably better to qualify 11th or 12th than 8-10, but 8-10 was better than 14-15. For this very reason. If you think you will be 9th or 10th in Q3 you may want to slow down a touch in Q2 (depending on the track and such, of course). Finding that edge though will be tougher as they all get better. |
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Post by mmi16 on Sept 30, 2020 13:45:36 GMT -8
One of the commentators this weekend said something about how it is probably better to qualify 11th or 12th than 8-10, but 8-10 was better than 14-15. For this very reason. If you think you will be 9th or 10th in Q3 you may want to slow down a touch in Q2 (depending on the track and such, of course). Finding that edge though will be tougher as they all get better. My son has been following Sprint Cars this year, to the exclusion of the other pro series. Talked to him Sunday night and he mentioned a Invitational Event that pulled in all the big names with the field limited to 48 invitees. He reported all 48 qualified within 1/2 a second. |
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Post by Pistola on Sept 30, 2020 16:53:02 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Sept 30, 2020 17:07:13 GMT -8
If the 'designated' Practice Start area is there between the nominally one lane wide area between walls and on a curve.....I can't think of a more DANGEROUS location. Rules be damned. |
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 30, 2020 18:17:09 GMT -8
If the 'designated' Practice Start area is there between the nominally one lane wide area between walls and on a curve.....I can't think of a more DANGEROUS location. Rules be damned. No one's had a problem with it in all of the years they've raced there, and lulu didn't break the rules for safety reasons, he did it for his own sake. |
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Post by mmi16 on Sept 30, 2020 20:03:11 GMT -8
If the 'designated' Practice Start area is there between the nominally one lane wide area between walls and on a curve.....I can't think of a more DANGEROUS location. Rules be damned. No one's had a problem with it in all of the years they've raced there, and lulu didn't break the rules for safety reasons, he did it for his own sake. Just waiting for tank slapper on a practice start. Of course he did it for his own reasons - nobody else thought of it. |
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Post by mikey on Oct 1, 2020 3:55:29 GMT -8
If the 'designated' Practice Start area is there between the nominally one lane wide area between walls and on a curve.....I can't think of a more DANGEROUS location. Rules be damned. No one's had a problem with it in all of the years they've raced there, and lulu didn't break the rules for safety reasons, he did it for his own sake. The problem is it was in the notes that it was not allowed, with Massi in charge this year it looks like the rules will be thought of us rules again instead of just suggestions. I'm not saying he's right or wrong but as long as he's consistent the drivers and Teams can figure out how to follow them. He's been pushing more for track limits too with some drivers getting time penalties for not staying on track enough, personally I think that's a good thing. I wonder if it will progress to 'only racing on the black' or even 'at least one tire must remain on the black' at some point? |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 1, 2020 5:20:00 GMT -8
No one's had a problem with it in all of the years they've raced there, and lulu didn't break the rules for safety reasons, he did it for his own sake. The problem is it was in the notes that it was not allowed, with Massi in charge this year it looks like the rules will be thought of us rules again instead of just suggestions. I'm not saying he's right or wrong but as long as he's consistent the drivers and Teams can figure out how to follow them. He's been pushing more for track limits too with some drivers getting time penalties for not staying on track enough, personally I think that's a good thing. I wonder if it will progress to 'only racing on the black' or even 'at least one tire must remain on the black' at some point? When it comes to track limits - the curbs ARE NOT within the white line that defines the width of the track. Drivers using the curbs are exceeding the defined limit of the track. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 1, 2020 5:51:56 GMT -8
The problem is it was in the notes that it was not allowed, with Massi in charge this year it looks like the rules will be thought of us rules again instead of just suggestions. I'm not saying he's right or wrong but as long as he's consistent the drivers and Teams can figure out how to follow them. He's been pushing more for track limits too with some drivers getting time penalties for not staying on track enough, personally I think that's a good thing. I wonder if it will progress to 'only racing on the black' or even 'at least one tire must remain on the black' at some point? When it comes to track limits - the curbs ARE NOT within the white line that defines the width of the track. Drivers using the curbs are exceeding the defined limit of the track. One day possibly sooner than later you have to read the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations. I've stopped quoting them because its up to others to know what they're talking(writing) about.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 6:36:13 GMT -8
I agree with mmi.
If you go off the track, your car should sustain damage.
I really don't care what the dumb-ass rules say about it.
The FIA could fuck up a wet dream.
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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