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Post by mmi16 on Oct 1, 2020 8:16:29 GMT -8
When it comes to track limits - the curbs ARE NOT within the white line that defines the width of the track. Drivers using the curbs are exceeding the defined limit of the track. One day possibly sooner than later you have to read the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations. I've stopped quoting them because its up to others to know what they're talking(writing) about.  I don't give a F about the FIA sporting regs - they are written in drizzle. You have a track or you don't - exceeding the limit of the track should have serious consequence, consequence that stewards don't have to enforce. Painted lines, of themselves, don't have consequence. Painted lines require Stewards to interpret. Tracks need to enforce their own limits without the need of Stewards. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 1, 2020 11:01:04 GMT -8
When it comes to track limits - the curbs ARE NOT within the white line that defines the width of the track. Drivers using the curbs are exceeding the defined limit of the track. One day possibly sooner than later you have to read the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations. I've stopped quoting them because its up to others to know what they're talking(writing) about. This rule? |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 1, 2020 11:51:07 GMT -8
I don't like off-track excursions that break the car because sometimes it is unavoidable. However a stop and go penalty would work.
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 1, 2020 12:26:31 GMT -8
One day possibly sooner than later you have to read the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations. I've stopped quoting them because its up to others to know what they're talking(writing) about. I don't give a F about the FIA sporting regs - they are written in drizzle. You have a track or you don't - exceeding the limit of the track should have serious consequence, consequence that stewards don't have to enforce. Painted lines, of themselves, don't have consequence. Painted lines require Stewards to interpret. Tracks need to enforce their own limits without the need of Stewards. Seems obvious you don't give a F about learning the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations. This way you can bitch all you want without knowing what you're bitching about.  |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 1, 2020 12:27:57 GMT -8
One day possibly sooner than later you have to read the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations. I've stopped quoting them because its up to others to know what they're talking(writing) about. This rule? Tell him. I read the Regs from front to back every season. |
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Post by mikey on Oct 1, 2020 13:20:13 GMT -8
I don't like off-track excursions that break the car because sometimes it is unavoidable. However a stop and go penalty would work. Yeah breaking the car can lead to safety concerns for drivers coming thru the area the wrong way or avoiding accidents or debris. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 1, 2020 13:27:22 GMT -8
I don't like off-track excursions that break the car because sometimes it is unavoidable. However a stop and go penalty would work. Yeah breaking the car can lead to safety concerns for drivers coming thru the area the wrong way or avoiding accidents or debris. I was actually using this "track limits should be consequential" argument to my neighbor as his kids were constantly kicking/throwing balls over our fence into our yard (and damaging my wife's garden). He was saying it was hard to stop and I suggested they pretend that our fence was the shore of a river and any ball going there was lost. They seem to have adapted :-) |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 1, 2020 14:00:08 GMT -8
I don't like off-track excursions that break the car because sometimes it is unavoidable. However a stop and go penalty would work. Yeah breaking the car can lead to safety concerns for drivers coming thru the area the wrong way or avoiding accidents or debris. Which is a deterrent for drivers trying to expand the track - exceeding track limits. Safety is in the drivers hands and feet, not painted lines. Is the FIA trying to create a 'Stewards Full Employment' situation? |
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 1, 2020 14:43:16 GMT -8
I don't like off-track excursions that break the car because sometimes it is unavoidable. However a stop and go penalty would work. Agreed, A car leaving the track to avoid another car's mishap shouldn't be penalized for it by getting damaged. I'm in favor of an in car sensor and corner detection loops, the teams were for it but the FIA doesn't want to foot the bill for the tech. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 4:32:44 GMT -8
NASCAR and IndyCar have had built-in sensors for years.
It's called a wall.
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Post by mikey on Oct 2, 2020 4:57:57 GMT -8
Yeah breaking the car can lead to safety concerns for drivers coming thru the area the wrong way or avoiding accidents or debris. Which is a deterrent for drivers trying to expand the track - exceeding track limits. Safety is in the drivers hands and feet, not painted lines. Is the FIA trying to create a 'Stewards Full Employment' situation? I would love to see paid Stewards and then require them to attend training etc sessions so that we get consistency across the whole season from track to track. I think Massi has tried to do some of that with track limits but it takes time and money. Maybe it's something the new CEO can work on. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 2, 2020 5:04:55 GMT -8
I don't like off-track excursions that break the car because sometimes it is unavoidable. However a stop and go penalty would work. Agreed, A car leaving the track to avoid another car's mishap shouldn't be penalized for it by getting damaged. I'm in favor of an in car sensor and corner detection loops, the teams were for it but the FIA doesn't want to foot the bill for the tech. If you can 'decide' to go off track to avoid another car, you can also decide to use brakes to avoid the other car. Track limits need to enforce themselves. Much of the 'bravery' we see in today's drivers is because there is no physical limit being challenged. Weren't they actually using one of the orange sausage curbs in Russia to assist in turning the car? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 5:25:52 GMT -8
Hey... curbs and walls.  |
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 2, 2020 6:02:38 GMT -8
Agreed, A car leaving the track to avoid another car's mishap shouldn't be penalized for it by getting damaged. I'm in favor of an in car sensor and corner detection loops, the teams were for it but the FIA doesn't want to foot the bill for the tech. If you can 'decide' to go off track to avoid another car, you can also decide to use brakes to avoid the other car. Track limits need to enforce themselves. Much of the 'bravery' we see in today's drivers is because there is no physical limit being challenged. Weren't they actually using one of the orange sausage curbs in Russia to assist in turning the car? So what you're saying is in EVERY case they'd be able to stop, right? |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 2, 2020 6:05:44 GMT -8
If you can 'decide' to go off track to avoid another car, you can also decide to use brakes to avoid the other car. Track limits need to enforce themselves. Much of the 'bravery' we see in today's drivers is because there is no physical limit being challenged. Weren't they actually using one of the orange sausage curbs in Russia to assist in turning the car? So what you're saying is in EVERY case they'd be able to stop, right? Uh huh, stop and get plowed into. No thanks. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 2, 2020 6:17:35 GMT -8
If you can 'decide' to go off track to avoid another car, you can also decide to use brakes to avoid the other car. Track limits need to enforce themselves. Much of the 'bravery' we see in today's drivers is because there is no physical limit being challenged. Weren't they actually using one of the orange sausage curbs in Russia to assist in turning the car? So what you're saying is in EVERY case they'd be able to stop, right? Shit happens. Today's drivers have virtually no respect for the track as the tracks have had their bite neutered. The only track that comes near retaining its bite is Monaco. |
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 2, 2020 7:01:44 GMT -8
So what you're saying is in EVERY case they'd be able to stop, right? Shit happens. Today's drivers have virtually no respect for the track as the tracks have had their bite neutered. The only track that comes near retaining its bite is Monaco. No driver is going to willingly plow into another one to respect some draconian idea, that's just silly. They also won't agree with driving on a track deliberately designed to physically incapacitate a car if it leaves the road even slightly. It's up to the officials and stewards to set and police track limits and they need to apply those limits from the first second of the race weekend to keep the drivers from developing bad habits in the first place. We saw this weekend how a deleted lap effected Hamilton's race, that punishment was enough to fit the crime. What you're talking about would only make racing boring and processional, we need them to have the sense of pushing the limits, not respecting borders. As Brundle once said "the main difference between staying on and going off at the exit is what bit of track you aim for". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 7:48:18 GMT -8
Gravel traps did a good job of "physically incapacitating the car" to the point it was usually out of the race.
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 2, 2020 8:23:23 GMT -8
Gravel traps did a good job of "physically incapacitating the car" to the point it was usually out of the race. The series owner's had a big problem with perfectly good cars stuck in gravel pits when they could have continued if a paved runoff was there, and with the VSC and red flags being thrown more othen now they'd rather not ruin the flow of the race simply to punish drivers over stepping track limits. The track owners don't want to be the ones that foot the bill for enforcing track limits, it's really not THEIR problem, it's the sport's. Monza put a strip of gravel around the Parabolica to keep the cars in line and made life worse for the bikes, so they changed it back, that was money wasted. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 2, 2020 11:30:51 GMT -8
Gravel traps did a good job of "physically incapacitating the car" to the point it was usually out of the race. The series owner's had a big problem with perfectly good cars stuck in gravel pits when they could have continued if a paved runoff was there, and with the VSC and red flags being thrown more othen now they'd rather not ruin the flow of the race simply to punish drivers over stepping track limits. The track owners don't want to be the ones that foot the bill for enforcing track limits, it's really not THEIR problem, it's the sport's. Monza put a strip of gravel around the Parabolica to keep the cars in line and made life worse for the bikes, so they changed it back, that was money wasted. Bovine floviating - a driver that has gotten stuck in a gravel trap has only himself to blame and it is no longer a 'perfectly good car' - especially in F1 where they rely on the floor areo benefits. Exceeding track limits have to have real consequence - not steward imposed penalties. |
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