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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 23, 2022 10:40:23 GMT -8
Helmut Marko told F1-Insider.com: "To put it simply. A vacuum in the fuel supply system caused the engine to be unable to obtain any more fuel. I think we can solve the problem already in Saudi Arabia this weekend."
So ... vapor lock then.
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 23, 2022 11:44:10 GMT -8
That's a lot of straight bits, can't wait to see toto's wagon skipping off the ground.  This is gonna cause problems for the mercs and any other cars that are still bouncing around. There's little of any run off at the ends of the straights. They start bouncing and lose it at bit they're toast. So they raise the ride height a bit and they're slower. For most of the past 8 years their aero was ok. But not the best. But it didn't have to be as their V6 package was .5 to 1.0 seconds faster than anyone else's. They don't have that advantage anymore. Problem number two is their new PU his running hotter than expected making those new tiny side pods insufficient for the task. Looks like the whiz kids over there FUBARed the whole concept. |
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Post by racerman967 on Mar 23, 2022 15:16:32 GMT -8
This is gonna cause problems for the mercs and any other cars that are still bouncing around. There's little of any run off at the ends of the straights. They start bouncing and lose it at bit they're toast. So they raise the ride height a bit and they're slower. For most of the past 8 years their aero was ok. But not the best. But it didn't have to be as their V6 package was .5 to 1.0 seconds faster than anyone else's. They don't have that advantage anymore. Problem number two is their new PU his running hotter than expected making those new tiny side pods insufficient for the task. Looks like the whiz kids over there FUBARed the whole concept. Guenther stated that HAAS tried the same concept last summer and the negatives outwieghed the positives so they went in a different direction. How long before sidepods show up on the Mercedes again? |
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Post by olderguysrule on Mar 23, 2022 15:32:24 GMT -8
Problem number two is their new PU his running hotter than expected making those new tiny side pods insufficient for the task. Looks like the whiz kids over there FUBARed the whole concept. Guenther stated that HAAS tried the same concept last summer and the negatives outwieghed the positives so they went in a different direction. How long before sidepods show up on the Mercedes again? The first thing I thought of when I saw the merc a few weeks back was Ronzo in 2015 when LcLaren first went with the then new Honda. The size zero concept or whatever they called it. They forced the honda design to fit their aero concept. A aero & powertrain failure the way I remember. We'll see if toto can pull it off. :-) |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 23, 2022 15:33:32 GMT -8
Guenther stated that HAAS tried the same concept last summer and the negatives outwieghed the positives so they went in a different direction. How long before sidepods show up on the Mercedes again? Friday Practice. But Toto has said in many interviews this week that the troubles with car are more than just aero. |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 23, 2022 17:17:45 GMT -8
That's a lot of straight bits, can't wait to see toto's wagon skipping off the ground. This is gonna cause problems for the mercs and any other cars that are still bouncing around. There's little of any run off at the ends of the straights. They start bouncing and lose it at bit they're toast. So they raise the ride height a bit and they're slower. For most of the past 8 years their aero was ok. But not the best. But it didn't have to be as their V6 package was .5 to 1.0 seconds faster than anyone else's. They don't have that advantage anymore. If it was dominated by the engine then Williams would have been at the front of the grid. |
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Post by mikey on Mar 23, 2022 17:31:50 GMT -8
This is gonna cause problems for the mercs and any other cars that are still bouncing around. There's little of any run off at the ends of the straights. They start bouncing and lose it at bit they're toast. So they raise the ride height a bit and they're slower. For most of the past 8 years their aero was ok. But not the best. But it didn't have to be as their V6 package was .5 to 1.0 seconds faster than anyone else's. They don't have that advantage anymore. If it was dominated by the engine then Williams would have been at the front of the grid. Lewis and Russel had to crank on downforce making the car drivable but slower, Toto has said this time he will turn down the downforce so we will see who wins the argument of the pitwall saying 'you can go faster' and the drivers saying 'it's undrivable if I go faster' and then 'but our strategy depends on you going faster'. If they can get the cameras in the Merc's working it should be fun to see the booblehead boys at work. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 23, 2022 17:37:01 GMT -8
This is gonna cause problems for the mercs and any other cars that are still bouncing around. There's little of any run off at the ends of the straights. They start bouncing and lose it at bit they're toast. So they raise the ride height a bit and they're slower. For most of the past 8 years their aero was ok. But not the best. But it didn't have to be as their V6 package was .5 to 1.0 seconds faster than anyone else's. They don't have that advantage anymore. If it was dominated by the engine then Williams would have been at the front of the grid. Williams was at the front the grid in 2014-2015 seasons when the Mercedes PU was its most dominant. |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 23, 2022 17:43:26 GMT -8
If it was dominated by the engine then Williams would have been at the front of the grid. Williams was at the front the grid in 2014-2015 seasons. But not since, though they had the unbeatable Mercedes engine. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 23, 2022 17:47:47 GMT -8
Williams was at the front the grid in 2014-2015 seasons. But not since, though they had the unbeatable Mercedes engine. The other manufactures started burning oil like Mercedes was and shuffled William's crap car back to the midfield and once the FIA cracked down on the oil burning Williams' on track performance declined accordingly. It was a direct result. |
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 23, 2022 18:58:18 GMT -8
Williams was at the front the grid in 2014-2015 seasons. But not since, though they had the unbeatable Mercedes engine. The customer teams use their own ancillaries, fuel and lube, not the factory stuff the PU's are developed on. They're given the requirements and are mostly left on their own to figure things out. And Williams WAS NOT getting the same cheat codes Merc was using because Toto wanted to keep his advantage away from the FIA's eyes. Williams flat ran out of cash after they first lost Martini then Rocket, also remember Toto pulled his money out of there once he poached Bottas. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Mar 24, 2022 3:01:26 GMT -8
But not since, though they had the unbeatable Mercedes engine. The other manufactures started burning oil like Mercedes was and shuffled William's crap car back to the midfield and once the FIA cracked down on the oil burning Williams' on track performance declined accordingly. It was a direct result. Add to the fact that everybody else using the merc used different fuel. |
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Post by Zytes on Mar 24, 2022 7:31:14 GMT -8
FIA details Jeddah F1 track changes ahead of Saudi GPChanges to the circuit Turn 2-3: The left hand side barriers have been moved back to improve visibility from Turn 2 to Turn 4 Turn 4 Apex: A smooth face has been added to the concrete barriers Turn 14 Apex: The barriers have been moved back approximately 1.5m to improve visibility Turn 16 Apex: A smooth face has been added to the concrete barriers Turn 21 Apex: The barriers have been moved back approximately 1.5m to improve visibility Turn 22 Apex: A smooth face has been added to the concrete barriers Turn 24 Apex: A smooth face has been added to the concrete barriers Exit of Turn 27: The track has been widened to 12m
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Post by Pistola on Mar 24, 2022 7:34:51 GMT -8
Max had DRS and warmer tires, and Chuck used the run into turn one to harvest. if Leclec used his battery holding him off into T1 he would have been a sitting duck going into turn 4. Then he would have been stuck behind Max for the rest of the lap, sometime you give a little to gain a lot. Exactly, LeClerc's race smarts in those situations was very impressive. He suckered Max into passing him knowing he could pass him back and retain the lead. From Leclerc's helmet cam, he trolls Max while using only 7th gear on the main straight and then punks him using 8th for the pass at turn 4. |
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Post by r60man on Mar 24, 2022 7:52:51 GMT -8
Great footage there. LeClerc really showed how good he was. Purposely giving up the lead, to get DRS into the next corner. Brilliant stuff, and a great view. Notice that the Ferrari isn't porpoising either.
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Post by Pistola on Mar 24, 2022 8:00:44 GMT -8
Looks like Merc took the router to rear wing flap.  |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 24, 2022 8:09:44 GMT -8
Guenther stated that HAAS tried the same concept last summer and the negatives outwieghed the positives so they went in a different direction. How long before sidepods show up on the Mercedes again? Friday Practice. But Toto has said in many interviews this week that the troubles with car are more than just aero. Yeah I don't think it's a coincidence that the last 6 cars running were Merc powered. And Merc would have finished 5/6 or 6/7 without the Honda vapor locks. They had nothing at all for Ferrari or RBR. I don't think their problems are all down to the PU, but it seems clear that there's a power deficit there, imho. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Mar 24, 2022 9:26:20 GMT -8
FIA details Jeddah F1 track changes ahead of Saudi GPChanges to the circuit Turn 2-3: The left hand side barriers have been moved back to improve visibility from Turn 2 to Turn 4 Turn 4 Apex: A smooth face has been added to the concrete barriers Turn 14 Apex: The barriers have been moved back approximately 1.5m to improve visibility Turn 16 Apex: A smooth face has been added to the concrete barriers Turn 21 Apex: The barriers have been moved back approximately 1.5m to improve visibility Turn 22 Apex: A smooth face has been added to the concrete barriers Turn 24 Apex: A smooth face has been added to the concrete barriers Exit of Turn 27: The track has been widened to 12m while a smooth face has been added to some of the barriers, allowing drivers to brush up against them more.  |
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Post by Pistola on Mar 24, 2022 10:22:29 GMT -8
Friday Practice. But Toto has said in many interviews this week that the troubles with car are more than just aero. Yeah I don't think it's a coincidence that the last 6 cars running were Merc powered. And Merc would have finished 5/6 or 6/7 without the Honda vapor locks. They had nothing at all for Ferrari or RBR. I don't think their problems are all down to the PU, but it seems clear that there's a power deficit there, imho. Gary Anderson. |
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 24, 2022 11:00:02 GMT -8
Friday Practice. But Toto has said in many interviews this week that the troubles with car are more than just aero. Yeah I don't think it's a coincidence that the last 6 cars running were Merc powered. And Merc would have finished 5/6 or 6/7 without the Honda vapor locks. They had nothing at all for Ferrari or RBR. I don't think their problems are all down to the PU, but it seems clear that there's a power deficit there, imho. The wags are saying Merc's PU is experiencing high than expected engine temps across the board, Hulk had to delay one of his stops to cool the car enough so it wouldn't cook itself while it was sitting still. |
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