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Post by struns on Mar 20, 2022 12:06:22 GMT -8
He finished on the podium because "red bull" engine shit the bed Most people would call that luck he lost the WDC because a driver at the back spun on his own with just a handful of laps left and him sitting in a commanding position after dominating the race. Most people would call that unlucky. He got the 2008 WDC how?....oh yeah luck...he has gotten a lot of it. |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 20, 2022 12:10:32 GMT -8
Everyone from Hamilton back to Zhou shared equally in this luck. Zhou would not have scored points in his debut if not for that luck. I still give him credit.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 20, 2022 12:10:41 GMT -8
Over exaggerating. Way over exaggerating. Functionally there is no difference. They stopped working. Both of them just a couple of laps apart. Blow up. Shut off. Stop working. Functionally it is the same as they ended up out of the race. Functionality has zero to do with it. The rules have everything to do with it. A blown engine means one less engine in their pool and potentially engine penalties and/or potential design flaw causing more failures/penalties. Fuel pump/fuel collections issues are none of that. Get a grip man. |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 20, 2022 12:11:26 GMT -8
Functionally there is no difference. They stopped working. Both of them just a couple of laps apart. Blow up. Shut off. Stop working. Functionally it is the same as they ended up out of the race. Functionality has zero to do with it. The rules have everything to do with it. A blown engine means one less engine in their pool and potentially engine penalties and/or potential design flaw causing more failures/penalties. Fuel pump/fuel collections issues are none of that. Get a grip man. My apologies. They just fucked up instead of blew up. Got it. Great strategy. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 20, 2022 12:12:54 GMT -8
he lost the WDC because a driver at the back spun on his own with just a handful of laps left and him sitting in a commanding position after dominating the race. Most people would call that unlucky. He got the 2008 WDC how?....oh yeah luck...he has gotten a lot of it. Here we go, P2P the ultimate Hammy fanboi turning a great Ferrari 1-2 into an endless merry-go-round discussion about Lewis. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 20, 2022 12:13:41 GMT -8
What does strategy have to with it? Get a grip. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Mar 20, 2022 12:42:27 GMT -8
^^ Even toto agreed. He said after the race that they are at this time the 5th & 6th fastest cars on the grid. There wasn't any strategy involved with them being where when the race blew up around them.
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 20, 2022 12:51:31 GMT -8
^^ Even toto agreed. He said after the race that they are at this time the 5th & 6th fastest cars on the grid. There wasn't any strategy involved with them being where when the race blew up around them. Their pre-season testing strategy that failed to unveil this manufacturing/design issue that caused them to have to stop. That is a strategy just as there are strategy calls in the race itself. There are design strategies, race strategies, development strategies, engine use strategies and so on. A strategy is a decision or series of decisions/actions to bring about a goal. |
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 20, 2022 12:52:35 GMT -8
He got the 2008 WDC how?....oh yeah luck...he has gotten a lot of it. Here we go, P2P the ultimate Hammy fanboi turning a great Ferrari 1-2 into an endless merry-go-round discussion about Lewis. If you note, it was not me who brought up Lewis. In fact in my race comments I did not mention him at all. In fact I said "today we are all Italian" because that was awesome. Actually this is an effort by Lewis haters to minimize his accomplishments yet again. Turn a fine drive into a discussion about luck. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Mar 20, 2022 12:56:09 GMT -8
Ted is reporting that the RedBull issue is fuel pump problem. All the teams are using the same pump, a common part, and other teams have been having problems too. Something about the E10 fuel fouling the works.
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Post by overboost on Mar 20, 2022 12:58:35 GMT -8
^^ Even toto agreed. He said after the race that they are at this time the 5th & 6th fastest cars on the grid. There wasn't any strategy involved with them being where when the race blew up around them. Their pre-season testing strategy that failed to unveil this manufacturing/design issue that caused them to have to stop. That is a strategy just as there are strategy calls in the race itself. There are design strategies, race strategies, development strategies, engine use strategies and so on. A strategy is a decision or series of decisions/actions to bring about a goal. The part that is suspected to have failed is an FIA mandated part, the fuel pump. It is something Red Bull has no control over and is not part of a teams design nor development testing strategy in the preseason. |
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Post by Pistola on Mar 20, 2022 12:58:44 GMT -8
Some peoples luck around here may run out.
AMuS before the race had this:
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 20, 2022 13:03:28 GMT -8
Their pre-season testing strategy that failed to unveil this manufacturing/design issue that caused them to have to stop. That is a strategy just as there are strategy calls in the race itself. There are design strategies, race strategies, development strategies, engine use strategies and so on. A strategy is a decision or series of decisions/actions to bring about a goal. The part that is suspected to have failed is an FIA mandated part, the fuel pump. It is something Red Bull has no control over and is not part of a teams design nor development testing strategy in the preseason. I wonder why it only failed in the two RBs just a couple of laps apart? Maybe it is how they are using it, its environment, its position. It would be pretty odd if 20 cars are using the same part and it fails only on two from the same team just a few laps apart. But maybe it is just coincidence. |
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 20, 2022 13:05:27 GMT -8
Everyone from Hamilton back to Zhou shared equally in this luck. Zhou would not have scored points in his debut if not for that luck. I still give him credit. Ok, but you didn't say a word about him scoring his first point being "great strategy". |
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 20, 2022 13:12:57 GMT -8
The part that is suspected to have failed is an FIA mandated part, the fuel pump. It is something Red Bull has no control over and is not part of a teams design nor development testing strategy in the preseason. I wonder why it only failed in the two RBs just a couple of laps apart? Maybe it is how they are using it, its environment, its position. It would be pretty odd if 20 cars are using the same part and it fails only on two from the same team just a few laps apart. But maybe it is just coincidence. Maybe the failures have to do with how the car is packaged, or were the pump is placed. Back in the first turbo era Honda was known for producing very rough running engines, on his first test drive with Honda power Prost brought the car back in without completing a lap because he thought it was going to blow up, Nakajima told him they always ran like that. |
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Post by truenorth on Mar 20, 2022 13:32:55 GMT -8
Loved the dead cows all over the track, but I'm sick of the FIA favouring Ferrari. Ferrari has won half of the races this year! And why the hell were those drivers changing position during the parade? Is that even allowed?
It's still pretty mild compared with MotoGP but it was definitely worth watching. I'm glad we have good action again so we won't have to talk about last year anymore.
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Post by Pistola on Mar 20, 2022 13:38:43 GMT -8
I wonder why it only failed in the two RBs just a couple of laps apart? Maybe it is how they are using it, its environment, its position. It would be pretty odd if 20 cars are using the same part and it fails only on two from the same team just a few laps apart. But maybe it is just coincidence. Maybe the failures have to do with how the car is packaged, or were the pump is placed. Back in the first turbo era Honda was known for producing very rough running engines, on his first test drive with Honda power Prost brought the car back in without completing a lap because he thought it was going to blow up, Nakajima told him they always ran like that. It's not like Red Bull doesn't also have a history of tinkering with FIA mandated fuel system parts. 2014 Australia. Just sayin'  Let me be among the first to say I'm suspicious of how powerful those "Hondas" are.  |
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Post by truenorth on Mar 20, 2022 13:41:06 GMT -8
Lest we forget. 46 races without a win. Forza Scuderia Ferrari.
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Post by Pistola on Mar 20, 2022 13:41:58 GMT -8
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Post by 333sps on Mar 20, 2022 13:43:17 GMT -8
If there were 10 more laps both Ferraris would have DNF for some unknown reason and Lulu won the race. Yes, he is that lucky If “ifs and buts” were candy and nuts we’d all have a Merry Christmas! Play the hand you are dealt! |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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