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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 12, 2022 8:42:52 GMT -8
Not discussed here because it is pointless. None of this changes the fact that if Mercedes had pitted Lewis for fresh tires, like all the other teams did with their drivers, Lewis would have won the WDC no matter what Masi did. Toto made red flag comment twice, maybe even three times. Once in the middle of the race and again right after Latifi crashed. Thinking the FIA will change anything for the better, or even at all, is optimistic at best. I did not hear Toto discuss a red flag after Latifi crashed. It wasn't on the world feed; do you have something to point to? He mentioned the red flag earlier because Merc had gotten hosed previously by pitting under the safety car, losing track position, and then having a red flag thrown two laps after the incident occurred (allowing RB to get a free tire change). Your memory has proven very suspect. Watch the race again. |
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Post by wayfast on Feb 12, 2022 8:50:13 GMT -8
I think all agree that the radio communication between Masi and both teams is inappropriate. Did it influence Masi's decision??? Nobody knows for sure but him. He would have caught hell no matter what decision he made. I think Masi made the best decision for the fans and the sport by letting them race - even if Lewis would have won.
I thought for sure that Masi would be replaced by now and it still might happen. Maybe by replacing him they think they would be admitting a mistake took place. Ending the communication to the RD will be the biggest help to the RD. Now they need to hire full time stewards and get rid of the rotating BS.
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Post by pushtopass on Feb 12, 2022 9:09:02 GMT -8
I did not hear Toto discuss a red flag after Latifi crashed. It wasn't on the world feed; do you have something to point to? He mentioned the red flag earlier because Merc had gotten hosed previously by pitting under the safety car, losing track position, and then having a red flag thrown two laps after the incident occurred (allowing RB to get a free tire change). Your memory has proven very suspect. Watch the race again. I watched the last seven laps again before I posted, since I didn't recall but wanted to be sure. Perhaps your memory is failing this time. |
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Post by pushtopass on Feb 12, 2022 9:11:03 GMT -8
I think all agree that the radio communication between Masi and both teams is inappropriate. Did it influence Masi's decision??? Nobody knows for sure but him. He would have caught hell no matter what decision he made. I think Masi made the best decision for the fans and the sport by letting them race - even if Lewis would have won. I thought for sure that Masi would be replaced by now and it still might happen. Maybe by replacing him they think they would be admitting a mistake took place. Ending the communication to the RD will be the biggest help to the RD. Now they need to hire full time stewards and get rid of the rotating BS. A red flag would have been appropriate. Certainly all the anti-Hamilton fans would be claiming this WDC need an asterisk saying "FIA-aided" if Masi had stuck to his original decision. Max and Christian were already whining about it on the radio. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 12, 2022 9:44:44 GMT -8
Your memory has proven very suspect. Watch the race again. I watched the last seven laps again before I posted, since I didn't recall but wanted to be sure. Perhaps your memory is failing this time. I think your hearing has become selective. I am not doing your work for you. |
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Post by pushtopass on Feb 12, 2022 12:01:10 GMT -8
I watched the last seven laps again before I posted, since I didn't recall but wanted to be sure. Perhaps your memory is failing this time. I think your hearing has become selective. I am not doing your work for you. I just listened to it. Wolff complains when Masi took the unprecedented step that RB had suggested after just previously having made a different decision. There were no mention of any red flags by anyone during that SC period the best I can tell. You are claiming there were so go ahead and prove it. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 12, 2022 12:06:39 GMT -8
I think your hearing has become selective. I am not doing your work for you. I just listened to it. Wolff complains when Masi took the unprecedented step that RB had suggested after just previously having made a different decision. There were no mention of any red flags by anyone during that SC period the best I can tell. You are claiming there were so go ahead and prove it. I know the statement I made is accurate. If you don't believe it you do the work to prove it wrong. I am not doing your work for you. |
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 12, 2022 13:35:18 GMT -8
I think all agree that the radio communication between Masi and both teams is inappropriate. Did it influence Masi's decision??? Nobody knows for sure but him. He would have caught hell no matter what decision he made. I think Masi made the best decision for the fans and the sport by letting them race - even if Lewis would have won. I thought for sure that Masi would be replaced by now and it still might happen. Maybe by replacing him they think they would be admitting a mistake took place. Ending the communication to the RD will be the biggest help to the RD. Now they need to hire full time stewards and get rid of the rotating BS. A red flag would have been appropriate. Certainly all the anti-Hamilton fans would be claiming this WDC need an asterisk saying "FIA-aided" if Masi had stuck to his original decision. Max and Christian were already whining about it on the radio. The was no reason for a red flag at all, the accident happened off line, the debris were quickly cleaned up and ALL safety equipment remained intact, only the Lulu fan bois called for a red flag. And how come you never bring up Hamilton's wining about the red flag in Jeddah saying "it doesn't look damaged to me" when he was told the Tecpro barrier had to be fix after Schumacher's shunt? |
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Post by struns on Feb 12, 2022 13:47:08 GMT -8
Should 'lock' this thread....  |
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Post by Boomer on Feb 12, 2022 13:53:44 GMT -8
Should 'lock' this thread....  Ain't that the truth!  |
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Post by mmi16 on Feb 12, 2022 14:12:40 GMT -8
Abu Dhabi is OVER!
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 12, 2022 14:30:37 GMT -8
Should 'lock' this thread.... |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Feb 12, 2022 14:44:27 GMT -8
Now THAT ^ is some funny shit!
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Post by thirddegree on Feb 12, 2022 17:50:23 GMT -8
This thread is basically the forum until late March. Embrace it. Enjoy it.
(By the way, if Masi did exactly as Toto instructed, not a soul in TeamLH would make a sound)
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Post by olderguysrule on Feb 12, 2022 18:30:55 GMT -8
Abu Dhabi? Wasn't that one of the races they ran last year. :-)
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Post by overboost on Feb 12, 2022 20:17:12 GMT -8
Hamilton and Team Mercedes got what they wanted, what their strategy was designed to provide - track position on old tires. They held the lead on the last lap.
They lost the race though because their strategy (and LH's lack that day of defensive driving skills) let them down. It was a strategy with no backup plan. A late safety car killed it as the team knew it could.
Mercedes picked their poison and lost.
Simple.
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Post by pushtopass on Feb 13, 2022 9:55:42 GMT -8
I just listened to it. Wolff complains when Masi took the unprecedented step that RB had suggested after just previously having made a different decision. There were no mention of any red flags by anyone during that SC period the best I can tell. You are claiming there were so go ahead and prove it. I know the statement I made is accurate. If you don't believe it you do the work to prove it wrong. I am not doing your work for you. One cannot prove a negative, as you well know. |
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Post by pushtopass on Feb 13, 2022 9:58:56 GMT -8
A red flag would have been appropriate. Certainly all the anti-Hamilton fans would be claiming this WDC need an asterisk saying "FIA-aided" if Masi had stuck to his original decision. Max and Christian were already whining about it on the radio. The was no reason for a red flag at all, the accident happened off line, the debris were quickly cleaned up and ALL safety equipment remained intact, only the Lulu fan bois called for a red flag. And how come you never bring up Hamilton's wining about the red flag in Jeddah saying "it doesn't look damaged to me" when he was told the Tecpro barrier had to be fix after Schumacher's shunt? There was no need for a red flag just as there was no need to break precedent and only let a few cars through and not requiring them to run the full lap before re-starting. But the desire was to finish under green. The simplest way is to throw a red flag. Then everything is frozen and when everything is cleaned up you complete the race. But that's a side point to the one I continually make, the FIA were not favoring Lewis. Despite the whining of Max and Christian that they were. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Feb 13, 2022 10:20:40 GMT -8
my eyes are in the front of my head. I look forward. Not backwards at the past
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Post by mmi16 on Feb 13, 2022 11:00:39 GMT -8
The was no reason for a red flag at all, the accident happened off line, the debris were quickly cleaned up and ALL safety equipment remained intact, only the Lulu fan bois called for a red flag. And how come you never bring up Hamilton's wining about the red flag in Jeddah saying "it doesn't look damaged to me" when he was told the Tecpro barrier had to be fix after Schumacher's shunt? There was no need for a red flag just as there was no need to break precedent and only let a few cars through and not requiring them to run the full lap before re-starting. But the desire was to finish under green. The simplest way is to throw a red flag. Then everything is frozen and when everything is cleaned up you complete the race. But that's a side point to the one I continually make, the FIA were not favoring Lewis. Despite the whining of Max and Christian that they were. In F1 NOTHING is frozen by a Red Flag. |
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