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Post by pushtopass on Dec 4, 2021 11:51:35 GMT -8
I wasn't sure why the Mazepin incident was brought up with Lewis but not the Gasly one. With Mazepin Lewis couldn't see because of the curves, but with Gasly he should have seen him coming down the straight.
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 4, 2021 11:54:19 GMT -8
Another bullshit penalty only Hamilton gets to escape. Total farce It is a bit of BS. Yellow flags are yellow flags accidental or not. RedBull can protest the decision. But if a yellow flag was never displayed to a driver on the track or on his steering wheel then how is he supposed to see it? I get the protest but from the ruling it sounds like Hamilton never had an opportunity to see that there as a flag. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Dec 4, 2021 12:16:23 GMT -8
It is a bit of BS. Yellow flags are yellow flags accidental or not. RedBull can protest the decision. But if a yellow flag was never displayed to a driver on the track or on his steering wheel then how is he supposed to see it? I get the protest but from the ruling it sounds like Hamilton never had an opportunity to see that there as a flag. Max didn’t have a yellow flag displayed on his steering wheel when he was penalized and Qatar. |
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Post by Pistola on Dec 4, 2021 12:27:21 GMT -8
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Post by truenorth on Dec 4, 2021 12:33:21 GMT -8
I'll bet it costs and arm and a leg to attend the Saudi Grand Prix.  |
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 4, 2021 12:54:27 GMT -8
But if a yellow flag was never displayed to a driver on the track or on his steering wheel then how is he supposed to see it? I get the protest but from the ruling it sounds like Hamilton never had an opportunity to see that there as a flag. Max didn’t have a yellow flag displayed on his steering wheel when he was penalized and Qatar. But there were flags waving at the marshal station so he had one signal. Lewis had none. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Dec 4, 2021 13:12:01 GMT -8
Max didn’t have a yellow flag displayed on his steering wheel when he was penalized and Qatar. But there were flags waving at the marshal station so he had one signal. Lewis had none. Incorrect, a light panel that Lewis passed flashed yellow. Maxes case the steering wheel said the track was green and all the light panel said the track was green. It was only at the last moment as Max was approaching flat out a flagger held out two yellow flags directly opposite of a light panel that was green. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Dec 4, 2021 13:13:44 GMT -8
But there were flags waving at the marshal station so he had one signal. Lewis had none. Incorrect, a light panel that Lewis passed flashed yellow. In Max’s case the steering wheel said the track was green and all the light panels said the track was green. It was only at the last moment, as Max was approaching star/finish line flat out that a flagger held out two yellow flags directly opposite of a light panel that was green. |
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 4, 2021 13:19:09 GMT -8
But there were flags waving at the marshal station so he had one signal. Lewis had none. Incorrect, a light panel that Lewis passed flashed yellow. Maxes case the steering wheel said the track was green and all the light panel said the track was green. It was only at the last moment as Max was approaching flat out a flagger held out two yellow flags directly opposite of a light panel that was green. I am going with what the FIA said and was posted earlier. According to them, Lewis was never able to see a flashed yellow. "there was no yellow flag displayed, no yellow lights were displayed to that driver and the yellow warning light was not visible on the driver’s steering wheel. Unlike other incidents this year, there was no yellow flag or yellow light displayed to the driver (the driver already being well into the marshalling sector when the system was briefly activated) hence no breach of the regulations has occurred." |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Dec 4, 2021 13:22:32 GMT -8
Incorrect, a light panel that Lewis passed flashed yellow. Maxes case the steering wheel said the track was green and all the light panel said the track was green. It was only at the last moment as Max was approaching flat out a flagger held out two yellow flags directly opposite of a light panel that was green. I am going with what the FIA said and was posted earlier. According to them, Lewis was never able to see a flashed yellow. "there was no yellow flag displayed, no yellow lights were displayed to that driver and the yellow warning light was not visible on the driver’s steering wheel. Unlike other incidents this year, there was no yellow flag or yellow light displayed to the driver (the driver already being well into the marshalling sector when the system was briefly activated) hence no breach of the regulations has occurred." How did they know what Lewis did and did not see? They don’t have a clue. Did they check the onboard cameras? Of course not. They are giving Lewis the benefit of the doubt while screwing Verstappen. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Dec 4, 2021 13:29:34 GMT -8
I am going with what the FIA said and was posted earlier. According to them, Lewis was never able to see a flashed yellow. "there was no yellow flag displayed, no yellow lights were displayed to that driver and the yellow warning light was not visible on the driver’s steering wheel. Unlike other incidents this year, there was no yellow flag or yellow light displayed to the driver (the driver already being well into the marshalling sector when the system was briefly activated) hence no breach of the regulations has occurred." How did they know what Lewis did and did not see? They don’t have a clue. Did they check the onboard cameras? Of course not. They are giving Lewis the benefit of the doubt while screwing Verstappen. Think we'll see that onboard? I have my doubts... |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Dec 4, 2021 13:33:55 GMT -8
How did they know what Lewis did and did not see? They don’t have a clue. Did they check the onboard cameras? Of course not. They are giving Lewis the benefit of the doubt while screwing Verstappen. Think we'll see that onboard? I have my doubts... Exactly, we will never see that on board. The race Director wants to sweep this under the carpet because they made a technical error. With Max in Qatar the flagman made a technical error. The race Director had cleared the track to full green but then on his own a marshal decided to flag to start/finish line with double yellow. Which is a technical mistake, but of course the stewards back the flagger and not the drivers in that case. |
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 4, 2021 13:44:25 GMT -8
I am going with what the FIA said and was posted earlier. According to them, Lewis was never able to see a flashed yellow. "there was no yellow flag displayed, no yellow lights were displayed to that driver and the yellow warning light was not visible on the driver’s steering wheel. Unlike other incidents this year, there was no yellow flag or yellow light displayed to the driver (the driver already being well into the marshalling sector when the system was briefly activated) hence no breach of the regulations has occurred." How did they know what Lewis did and did not see? They don’t have a clue. Did they check the onboard cameras? Of course not. They are giving Lewis the benefit of the doubt while screwing Verstappen. If you read the FIA ruling, which I encourage you to do, you will find your answer there. Go ahead, take the few seconds to look. |
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 4, 2021 13:45:01 GMT -8
Hint; Post #93
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Dec 4, 2021 13:59:11 GMT -8
How did they know what Lewis did and did not see? They don’t have a clue. Did they check the onboard cameras? Of course not. They are giving Lewis the benefit of the doubt while screwing Verstappen. If you read the FIA ruling, which I encourage you to do, you will find your answer there. Go ahead, take the few seconds to look. I read it, and nowhere does it say that they reviewed the onboard footage to see if Lewis actually passed a flashing yellow light.
Without that proof they are making a judgment call to Lewis' benefit.
Let me ask you a question. If that onboard footage does come out at some point and shows Lewis passing a flashing yellow light, matter how brief, does he deserve a penalty? |
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Post by pushtopass on Dec 4, 2021 14:04:17 GMT -8
If you read the FIA ruling, which I encourage you to do, you will find your answer there. Go ahead, take the few seconds to look. I read it, and nowhere does it say that they reviewed the onboard footage to see if Lewis actually passed a flashing yellow light.
Without that proof they are making a judgment call to Lewis' benefit.
Let me ask you a question. If that onboard footage does come out at some point and shows Lewis passing a flashing yellow light, matter how brief, does he deserve a penalty? They know where each car is when the systems are activated; the release clearly states that he was past the station when the light flashed. The report states, "As the on-board video of Car 44 (to be released by the Commercial Rights Holder following this Decision) clearly shows", which inherently indicates they reviewed the footage (otherwise why would they claim this?). If the onboard footage indicates that he was in the wrong then yes, he deserves a penalty. You should be able to access the onboard footage via the F1TV site if you subscribe. It hasn't been taken down that I can tell. If the onboard footage shows no yellow, will you admit that this is a correct decision and not a judgement call and that you were wrong a decision for Lewis' benefit? |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Dec 4, 2021 14:13:23 GMT -8
I read it, and nowhere does it say that they reviewed the onboard footage to see if Lewis actually passed a flashing yellow light.
Without that proof they are making a judgment call to Lewis' benefit.
Let me ask you a question. If that onboard footage does come out at some point and shows Lewis passing a flashing yellow light, matter how brief, does he deserve a penalty? They know where each car is when the systems are activated; the release clearly states that he was past the station when the light flashed. The report states, "As the on-board video of Car 44 (to be released by the Commercial Rights Holder following this Decision) clearly shows", which inherently indicates they reviewed the footage (otherwise why would they claim this?). If the onboard footage indicates that he was in the wrong then yes, he deserves a penalty. You should be able to access the onboard footage via the F1TV site if you subscribe. It hasn't been taken down that I can tell. If the onboard footage shows no yellow, will you admit that this is a correct decision and not a judgement call and that you were wrong a decision for Lewis' benefit? I can not find the footage on F1TV. I am not buying this absolution until I see it. If it shows Lewis did no wrong of course I will admit it. |
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Post by overboost on Dec 4, 2021 14:25:29 GMT -8
As expected the Mercs are one two on a Merc track. Max sure gave it all though in a slower car, pole was a possibility but we will never know.
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Post by mikey on Dec 4, 2021 15:05:56 GMT -8
Think we'll see that onboard? I have my doubts... Exactly, we will never see that on board. The race Director wants to sweep this under the carpet because they made a technical error. With Max in Qatar the flagman made a technical error. The race Director had cleared the track to full green but then on his own a marshal decided to flag to start/finish line with double yellow. Which is a technical mistake, but of course the stewards back the flagger and not the drivers in that case. To be honest they really need to back the flagger even if he was wrong, the flagger can be disciplined later on but an accident is forever, they kinda want the flaggers to be pro-active if they see something and then can 'reeducate' them later on. |
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Post by mikey on Dec 4, 2021 15:08:09 GMT -8
As expected the Mercs are one two on a Merc track. Max sure gave it all though in a slower car, pole was a possibility but we will never know. He certainly gave it his best shot at beating them. |
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