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Post by olderguysrule on Oct 27, 2021 0:23:13 GMT -8
Is that STILL going on?  Haha, no. Not today. That's a pic from Sunday of F1 fans having to direct traffic to get cars out of a COTA lot. ^^ Well, there's one thing about Texas. When the gov't or whatever fails they don't sit at home and cry about it. They take over and do whatever needs to be done to get thru the current cluster f***. :-) |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 27, 2021 9:20:22 GMT -8
Haha, no. Not today. That's a pic from Sunday of F1 fans having to direct traffic to get cars out of a COTA lot. ^^ Well, there's one thing about Texas. When the gov't or whatever fails they don't sit at home and cry about it. They take over and do whatever needs to be done to get thru the current cluster f***. :-) That's a great observation and I never really thought about it much, but yeah, that's exactly right. We mobilize. |
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Post by Red_Hercules on Oct 27, 2021 11:59:56 GMT -8
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 27, 2021 12:14:57 GMT -8
I don't think so. I personally know 3 former Nascar fans who are hooked now on F1 due to the title chase this year and the quality of the races, and wouldn't watch Nascar on a bet. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 28, 2021 4:03:39 GMT -8
Haha, no. Not today. That's a pic from Sunday of F1 fans having to direct traffic to get cars out of a COTA lot. ^^ Well, there's one thing about "Texas". When the gov't or whatever fails they don't sit at home and cry about it. They take over and do whatever needs to be done to get thru the current cluster f***. :-) "The women in Texas"... |
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Post by r60man on Oct 28, 2021 6:11:50 GMT -8
Well there is some poor writing here, and some plain old mistruth, but there is a kernel of fact. NASCARs popularity has been falling in recent years. F1 has been going up in the US, that is true. Why? Well, NASCAR is still perceived by the masses to be a Southern redneck sport. The direction that NASCAR has gone recently with new leadership and the dismissal of Brian France has been very good. Adding more road course races, racing on the "roval" using the infield sections at Charlotte and Daytona have added a whole new dimension. NASCAR driver now HAVE to be good at turning right. But it is hard to overcome the old perceptions.
But F1 has been able to do that. The Netflix show has introduced F1 to new fans and shown the drama and spectacle. Add in the fact that this years championship is still up for grabs when in past years it was locked by now has helped. There is still everything to race for. NASCAR has tried to do that with the "playoffs" but failed horribly. IF Kyle Larson does not win the final race and the Championship that will be illustrated. Kyle has dominated this season and deserves the title of Champion. If he doesn't win it, what a shame.
I love all motorsports and I watch F1 and NASCAR all the time. They can both be very entertaining, and they both can be as boring as paint drying sometimes, but that happens with motorsports.
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Post by mikey on Oct 28, 2021 8:38:24 GMT -8
Well there is some poor writing here, and some plain old mistruth, but there is a kernel of fact. NASCARs popularity has been falling in recent years. F1 has been going up in the US, that is true. Why? Well, NASCAR is still perceived by the masses to be a Southern redneck sport. The direction that NASCAR has gone recently with new leadership and the dismissal of Brian France has been very good. Adding more road course races, racing on the "roval" using the infield sections at Charlotte and Daytona have added a whole new dimension. NASCAR driver now HAVE to be good at turning right. But it is hard to overcome the old perceptions.
But F1 has been able to do that. The Netflix show has introduced F1 to new fans and shown the drama and spectacle. Add in the fact that this years championship is still up for grabs when in past years it was locked by now has helped. There is still everything to race for. NASCAR has tried to do that with the "playoffs" but failed horribly. IF Kyle Larson does not win the final race and the Championship that will be illustrated. Kyle has dominated this season and deserves the title of Champion. If he doesn't win it, what a shame.
I love all motorsports and I watch F1 and NASCAR all the time. They can both be very entertaining, and they both can be as boring as paint drying sometimes, but that happens with motorsports.
I think the lack of a every weekend winner is hurting Nascar too, too many different winners means it's hard to love or hate someone in particular, which of course brings out the passionate fans who often spend alot of money and hoot and holler the most. Kind of like Lewis in F1 now and Vettel and MSchumacher before that, you either hate them or the Team or you love them but anyway you slice it it puts butts in the seats. The last season or so Max has also brought in hundreds of thousands of passionate fans who can seemingly fill multiple sets of grandstands alone, they in turn are potentially buying millions of dollars worth of merchandise. Bob Varsha used to talk about the little shop at Spa that sold models of the cars and alot of people would make it a must stop place everytime they had a race there. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 28, 2021 11:15:40 GMT -8
Well there is some poor writing here, and some plain old mistruth, but there is a kernel of fact. NASCARs popularity has been falling in recent years. F1 has been going up in the US, that is true. Why? Well, NASCAR is still perceived by the masses to be a Southern redneck sport. The direction that NASCAR has gone recently with new leadership and the dismissal of Brian France has been very good. Adding more road course races, racing on the "roval" using the infield sections at Charlotte and Daytona have added a whole new dimension. NASCAR driver now HAVE to be good at turning right. But it is hard to overcome the old perceptions.
But F1 has been able to do that. The Netflix show has introduced F1 to new fans and shown the drama and spectacle. Add in the fact that this years championship is still up for grabs when in past years it was locked by now has helped. There is still everything to race for. NASCAR has tried to do that with the "playoffs" but failed horribly. IF Kyle Larson does not win the final race and the Championship that will be illustrated. Kyle has dominated this season and deserves the title of Champion. If he doesn't win it, what a shame.
I love all motorsports and I watch F1 and NASCAR all the time. They can both be very entertaining, and they both can be as boring as paint drying sometimes, but that happens with motorsports. And something that seems to be lost in all the hoopla is that there were no Canadian GP, Mexican GP, Brazilian GP, or USGP in 2020, and no Canadian GP in 2021 --- so this is the first F1 GP in North OR South America since 2019. I do think F1 is gaining some ground in the US, but this crowd at COTA is not an accurate yardstick of that rise in popularity imho, even if you do believe COTA's nice, round, estimated numbers. It was the biggest crowd they've had at COTA, almost certainly, but that doesn't support the claims that it was the "biggest crowd in F1 history" that I'm seeing in some articles now. 2000 & 2001 Indy, 1995 Adelaide, and others would like a word with those authors. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 28, 2021 13:52:25 GMT -8
Well there is some poor writing here, and some plain old mistruth, but there is a kernel of fact. NASCARs popularity has been falling in recent years. F1 has been going up in the US, that is true. Why? Well, NASCAR is still perceived by the masses to be a Southern redneck sport. The direction that NASCAR has gone recently with new leadership and the dismissal of Brian France has been very good. Adding more road course races, racing on the "roval" using the infield sections at Charlotte and Daytona have added a whole new dimension. NASCAR driver now HAVE to be good at turning right. But it is hard to overcome the old perceptions.
But F1 has been able to do that. The Netflix show has introduced F1 to new fans and shown the drama and spectacle. Add in the fact that this years championship is still up for grabs when in past years it was locked by now has helped. There is still everything to race for. NASCAR has tried to do that with the "playoffs" but failed horribly. IF Kyle Larson does not win the final race and the Championship that will be illustrated. Kyle has dominated this season and deserves the title of Champion. If he doesn't win it, what a shame.
I love all motorsports and I watch F1 and NASCAR all the time. They can both be very entertaining, and they both can be as boring as paint drying sometimes, but that happens with motorsports. And something that seems to be lost in all the hoopla is that there were no Canadian GP, Mexican GP, Brazilian GP, or USGP in 2020, and no Canadian GP in 2021 --- so this is the first F1 GP in North OR South America since 2019. I do think F1 is gaining some ground in the US, but this crowd at COTA is not an accurate yardstick of that gaining popularity imho, even if you do believe COTA's nice, round, estimated numbers. It was the biggest crowd they've had at COTA, almost certainly, but that doesn't support the claims that it was the "biggest crowd in F1 history" that I'm seeing in some articles now. 2000 & 2001 Indy, 1995 Adelaide, and others would like a word with those authors. Today's F1 writers - for the most part - have very short memories. Remember those dates you mentioned are a generation ago. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 28, 2021 14:37:52 GMT -8
And something that seems to be lost in all the hoopla is that there were no Canadian GP, Mexican GP, Brazilian GP, or USGP in 2020, and no Canadian GP in 2021 --- so this is the first F1 GP in North OR South America since 2019. I do think F1 is gaining some ground in the US, but this crowd at COTA is not an accurate yardstick of that gaining popularity imho, even if you do believe COTA's nice, round, estimated numbers. It was the biggest crowd they've had at COTA, almost certainly, but that doesn't support the claims that it was the "biggest crowd in F1 history" that I'm seeing in some articles now. 2000 & 2001 Indy, 1995 Adelaide, and others would like a word with those authors. Today's F1 writers - for the most part - have very short memories. Remember those dates you mentioned are a generation ago. Yeah it's amazing. I tweeted to the author of one of those articles and her justification was "Bobby's emails" and "This other other article said Silverstone 2019 was the biggest ever until COTA 2021", etc. No research at all. No factchecking at all. Not only was CORA 2021 not the biggest F1 crowd ever, it wasn't the biggest USGP crowd ever, and is actually 3rd or farther down the list. And there's no shame in that. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 29, 2021 4:00:56 GMT -8
Today's F1 writers - for the most part - have very short memories. Remember those dates you mentioned are a generation ago. Yeah it's amazing. I tweeted to the author of one of those articles and her justification was "Bobby's emails" and "This other other article said Silverstone 2019 was the biggest ever until COTA 2021", etc. No research at all. No factchecking at all. Not only was CORA 2021 not the biggest F1 crowd ever, it wasn't the biggest USGP crowd ever, and is actually 3rd or farther down the list. And there's no shame in that. Probably lacking in-depth research because, in the grand scheme of things F1, it isn't that relevant nor important enough to take the time. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 29, 2021 4:29:47 GMT -8
Yeah it's amazing. I tweeted to the author of one of those articles and her justification was "Bobby's emails" and "This other other article said Silverstone 2019 was the biggest ever until COTA 2021", etc. No research at all. No factchecking at all. Not only was CORA 2021 not the biggest F1 crowd ever, it wasn't the biggest USGP crowd ever, and is actually 3rd or farther down the list. And there's no shame in that. Probably lacking in-depth research because, in the grand scheme of things F1, it isn't that relevant nor important enough to take the time. Which is a indictment on what passes for 'journalism' in out 21st Century world. As a writer, when you are writing from public consumption, it is your obligation to get the facts right - not just create your own 'alternative facts' as you go along. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 29, 2021 4:35:42 GMT -8
Probably lacking in-depth research because, in the grand scheme of things F1, it isn't that relevant nor important enough to take the time. Which is a indictment on what passes for 'journalism' in out 21st Century world. As a writer, when you are writing from public consumption, it is your obligation to get the facts right - not just create your own 'alternative facts' as you go along. So what do you want a journalist to do with a bunch of numbers that are sketchy at best in the first place? |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Oct 29, 2021 4:44:50 GMT -8
Which is a indictment on what passes for 'journalism' in out 21st Century world. As a writer, when you are writing from public consumption, it is your obligation to get the facts right - not just create your own 'alternative facts' as you go along. So what do you want a journalist to do with a bunch of numbers that are sketchy at best in the first place? I think it's more about the F1 "press" wanting to continue to have employment in what is a niche sport. They sell it up for self preservation. Who dies as a result? Jeeez.  |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 29, 2021 7:17:37 GMT -8
Which is a indictment on what passes for 'journalism' in out 21st Century world. As a writer, when you are writing from public consumption, it is your obligation to get the facts right - not just create your own 'alternative facts' as you go along. So what do you want a journalist to do with a bunch of numbers that are sketchy at best in the first place? A 'journalist' will research the bunch of numbers to determine their basis in fact or fiction. With enough numbers you can sketch an accurate picture - if those numbers are based on fiction the accurate picture will be of FRAUD. If you are a fraudulent hack trying to pass as a 'journalist', you won't pass. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 29, 2021 8:12:12 GMT -8
Yeah it's amazing. I tweeted to the author of one of those articles and her justification was "Bobby's emails" and "This other other article said Silverstone 2019 was the biggest ever until COTA 2021", etc. No research at all. No factchecking at all. Not only was CORA 2021 not the biggest F1 crowd ever, it wasn't the biggest USGP crowd ever, and is actually 3rd or farther down the list. And there's no shame in that. Probably lacking in-depth research because, in the grand scheme of things F1, it isn't that relevant nor important enough to take the time. Well, she's written a few articles about it recently and seems to be taking it seriously. But even if she doesn't think F1 is a big deal, she should still put some actual research into anything she writes, rather than just parroting what Bobby told her in an email. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 29, 2021 8:13:37 GMT -8
So what do you want a journalist to do with a bunch of numbers that are sketchy at best in the first place? I think it's more about the F1 "press" wanting to continue to have employment in what is a niche sport. They sell it up for self preservation. Who dies as a result? Jeeez. This wasn't F1 press. She's a local writer who writes about various topics. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Oct 29, 2021 8:15:14 GMT -8
So what do you want a journalist to do with a bunch of numbers that are sketchy at best in the first place? A 'journalist' will research the bunch of numbers to determine their basis in fact or fiction. With enough numbers you can sketch an accurate picture - if those numbers are based on fiction the accurate picture will be of FRAUD. If you are a fraudulent hack trying to pass as a 'journalist', you won't pass. Exactly - or at least you shouldn't pass. These days, though, it seems that all you have to do is say something to make it a 'fact'. Challenge the writer on it and they say "Well, so and so told me this was true, so yeah, I'm good", and that's the end of it as far as they're concerned. Fact-checking isn't in the equation. Journalists these days rarely challenge anything and are easily seduced by access & perks. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 29, 2021 9:18:33 GMT -8
A 'journalist' will research the bunch of numbers to determine their basis in fact or fiction. With enough numbers you can sketch an accurate picture - if those numbers are based on fiction the accurate picture will be of FRAUD. If you are a fraudulent hack trying to pass as a 'journalist', you won't pass. Exactly - or at least you shouldn't pass. These days, though, it seems that all you have to do is say something to make it a 'fact'. Challenge the writer on it and they say "Well, so and so told me this was true, so yeah, I'm good", and that's the end of it as far as they're concerned. Fact-checking isn't in the equation. Journalists these days rarely challenge anything and are easily seduced by access & perks. I guess my point is; how do you assess these numbers? They are generally estimates anyway. I'd guess for this event and past ones around the world, the numbers are probably +/- 10k or so. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 29, 2021 10:33:19 GMT -8
Max’s tyre curve fall-off only happened on ‘very last lap’ Mercedes have said that Max Verstappen managed his tyres to perfection at the United States Grand Prix.With just 1.333s separating race winner Verstappen and second-placed Lewis Hamilton as the chequered flag waved in Austin, Texas, there was a lingering question surrounding the timing of Hamilton’s second stop which provided him an 18-lap window to hunt down his title rival. But, Mercedes’ motorsport strategy director, James Vowles, has said it was not really a case of whether Hamilton could have boxed slightly earlier, it was more to do with how well Verstappen looked after tyres having pitted eight laps before the seven-time World Champion. In Mercedes’ post-Austin debrief, Vowles revealed that Verstappen’s tyres only began to fall off on the last lap. Had that have happened one or two laps sooner, then he feels that is where Hamilton would have emerged the winner in Austin. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/maxs-tyre-curve-fall-off-only-happened-on-very-last-lap/ar-AAQ6oJY?li=BBnb7Kz
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA