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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 9:16:04 GMT -8
Sounds like Corporate America. A Professor in my Behavioral Science class had a great saying, "Everyone damns big business, but nobody wants to give up their refrigerator..." Also, back when your professor uttered those words, the average ratio of wages between top management and the workers was around 25:1.
Not 1000:1.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 1, 2021 9:41:54 GMT -8
A Professor in my Behavioral Science class had a great saying, "Everyone damns big business, but nobody wants to give up their refrigerator..." The CEO makes 30 million a year. The people on the lines make 30 thousand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 9:59:13 GMT -8
The CEO makes 30 million a year. The people on the lines make 30 thousand.
Whatever. Are the folks on those lines part of a union? Yes, they are.
However, the company has told them in no uncertain terms that they will move all manufacturing out of that plant and convert everything into engineering.
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Post by Boomer on Sept 1, 2021 10:32:20 GMT -8
Sounds like Corporate America. A Professor in my Behavioral Science class had a great saying, "Everyone damns big business, but nobody wants to give up their refrigerator..." Please explain the meaning of this quote. I fail to understand the equivalency with regard to CEO compensation vs. worker wages.  |
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Post by Boomer on Sept 1, 2021 10:36:54 GMT -8
^ OOPS! Do I venture dangerously close to political discussion here?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 10:43:39 GMT -8
^ OOPS! Do I venture dangerously close to political discussion here? Nope, just reality. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 1, 2021 12:19:14 GMT -8
Are the folks on those lines part of a union? Yes, they are.
However, the company has told them in no uncertain terms that they will move all manufacturing out of that plant and convert everything into engineering.
The company is clearly bluffing. If they could've eliminated line employees with robotics and other automation they would've done it already. What those folk on the line need is a wildcat strike. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 12:44:49 GMT -8
Yes, they are.
However, the company has told them in no uncertain terms that they will move all manufacturing out of that plant and convert everything into engineering.
The company is clearly bluffing. If they could've eliminated line employees with robotics and other automation they would've done it already. What those folk on the line need is a wildcat strike. No, the company isn't bluffing. They stay where they are for political reasons. They are headquartered in St. Louis, not Ohio.
They've moved product to other plants before. On very short notice.
The work done at this plant can't be done robotically.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that the line workers are getting the shaft in a major way. Those of us in engineering are getting the shaft too, just not so bad.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 1, 2021 13:18:45 GMT -8
The company is clearly bluffing. If they could've eliminated line employees with robotics and other automation they would've done it already. What those folk on the line need is a wildcat strike. No, the company isn't bluffing. They stay where they are for political reasons. They are headquartered in St. Louis, not Ohio.
They've moved product to other plants before. On very short notice.
The work done at this plant can't be done robotically.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that the line workers are getting the shaft in a major way. Those of us in engineering are getting the shaft too, just not so bad.
If work can't be done robotically and the plant exists for political reason that is the perfect scenario to strike for better wages. |
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Post by Boomer on Sept 1, 2021 19:27:05 GMT -8
A Professor in my Behavioral Science class had a great saying, "Everyone damns big business, but nobody wants to give up their refrigerator..." Please explain the meaning of this quote. I fail to understand the equivalency with regard to CEO compensation vs. worker wages. What I meant to say is: What does this have to do with the price of meat at Kroger's?  |
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Post by pushtopass on Sept 2, 2021 4:32:47 GMT -8
Yes, they are.
However, the company has told them in no uncertain terms that they will move all manufacturing out of that plant and convert everything into engineering.
The company is clearly bluffing. If they could've eliminated line employees with robotics and other automation they would've done it already. What those folk on the line need is a wildcat strike. Carlo; perhaps I mis-understood but don't believe Danica meant they plan to switch the assembly to robotics, but that they will remove the line and just do the engineering work there (Boeing, for instance). I assume that means that people would still do the manufacturing (based on a later post) but probably in someplace cheaper like Alabama. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 5:41:29 GMT -8
The company is clearly bluffing. If they could've eliminated line employees with robotics and other automation they would've done it already. What those folk on the line need is a wildcat strike. Carlo; perhaps I mis-understood but don't believe Danica meant they plan to switch the assembly to robotics, but that they will remove the line and just do the engineering work there (Boeing, for instance). I assume that means that people would still do the manufacturing (based on a later post) but probably in someplace cheaper like Alabama. PTP, you are correct.
The plant I am referring to is the only union plant in the entire company.
They were a union plant under the original ownership.
The new corp that owns this plant has made it their lifelong dream to bust the union at this place. Why? I don't know. It's not like these people are making hundreds of thousands a year.
Something that always bugs me is this: When the workers at a local business are well paid, the community they live in benefits. Better business, better schools, better medical, etc.
When a company pays their workers scut wages, everybody suffers. (except the assholes at the top)
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 2, 2021 5:43:28 GMT -8
Carlo; perhaps I mis-understood but don't believe Danica meant they plan to switch the assembly to robotics, but that they will remove the line and just do the engineering work there (Boeing, for instance). I assume that means that people would still do the manufacturing (based on a later post) but probably in someplace cheaper like Alabama. PTP, you are correct.
The plant I am referring to is the only union plant in the entire company.
They were a union plant under the original ownership.
The new corp that owns this plant has made it their lifelong dream to bust the union at this place. Why? I don't know. It's not like these people are making hundreds of thousands a year.
Something that always bugs me is this: When the workers at a local business are well paid, the community they live in benefits. Better business, better schools, better medical, etc.
When a company pays their workers scut wages, everybody suffers. (except the assholes at the top)
Got it. So what is the political factor keeping this plant open? Military? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 5:52:19 GMT -8
PTP, you are correct.
The plant I am referring to is the only union plant in the entire company.
They were a union plant under the original ownership.
The new corp that owns this plant has made it their lifelong dream to bust the union at this place. Why? I don't know. It's not like these people are making hundreds of thousands a year.
Something that always bugs me is this: When the workers at a local business are well paid, the community they live in benefits. Better business, better schools, better medical, etc.
When a company pays their workers scut wages, everybody suffers. (except the assholes at the top)
Got it. So what is the political factor keeping this plant open? Military? This plant is the largest in the county. The company pumps money into the local hospital and various other things. Basically, it's a good tax write-off.
This plant was the first to produce it's product in the entire country. (sorry I can't say what that product is. It would be a dead give-away.
Let's just say that everybody here has a version of this product, maybe even 2 or 3 in their home.) This company always reminds people of that fact.
Being located in Bumfuck, OH is another selling point they like to sell to future employees. After all, Ohio has cheap groceries. 
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 2, 2021 6:32:35 GMT -8
Got it. So what is the political factor keeping this plant open? Military? This plant is the largest in the county. The company pumps money into the local hospital and various other things. Basically, it's a good tax write-off.
This plant was the first to produce it's product in the entire country. (sorry I can't say what that product is. It would be a dead give-away.
Let's just say that everybody here has a version of this product, maybe even 2 or 3 in their home.) This company always reminds people of that fact.
Being located in Bumfuck, OH is another selling point they like to sell to future employees. After all, Ohio has cheap groceries.
Is this originally an American company that is now on by a foreign conglomerate? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2021 11:06:13 GMT -8
This plant is the largest in the county. The company pumps money into the local hospital and various other things. Basically, it's a good tax write-off.
This plant was the first to produce it's product in the entire country. (sorry I can't say what that product is. It would be a dead give-away.
Let's just say that everybody here has a version of this product, maybe even 2 or 3 in their home.) This company always reminds people of that fact.
Being located in Bumfuck, OH is another selling point they like to sell to future employees. After all, Ohio has cheap groceries.
Is this originally an American company that is now on by a foreign conglomerate? Nope, it's an American corp. |
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Post by mmi16 on Sept 2, 2021 14:52:12 GMT -8
Companies don't want to be held to their agreements - especially those made with Unions in collective bargining.
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Post by boiler on Sept 2, 2021 16:50:20 GMT -8
Sounds like Corporate America.
"We want to thank you for all your hard work. But we're keeping all the money."
Three months of F1TV for all ticket holders..... |
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Post by mmi16 on Sept 2, 2021 19:22:57 GMT -8
Sounds like Corporate America.
"We want to thank you for all your hard work. But we're keeping all the money."
Three months of F1TV for all ticket holders..... Yep - 3 months free - December, January & February. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Sept 3, 2021 2:28:21 GMT -8
Sounds like Corporate America.
"We want to thank you for all your hard work. But we're keeping all the money."
Three months of F1TV for all ticket holders..... I'd prefer something of actual value ... |
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