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Post by boomer on Apr 5, 2021 21:59:49 GMT -8
Stewards have a much more important function than observing painted lines. And that would be... determining the outcome of races?  |
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Post by mikey on Apr 6, 2021 4:52:13 GMT -8
SO we are finally down to the actual fix the FIA could do...pay a set of stewards to be permanent at every race. Agreed! This musical chair game with stewards creates a different interpretation every race. The same officials each weeks would bring consistency with the calls. I can't believe F1 even considered rotating stewards let alone went with it. I think it was a way to let past F1 guys stay relevant in a sport they helped build, but I also think they gave them way to much power in a room full of people who should be doing it week in and week out. I don't mind a former F1 person volunteering to be a Steward at any race, but they need to limit their ability to affect the outcome of the race. Being a part of the conversation for infractions etc and I have no problem with them giving their perspective on things. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Apr 6, 2021 5:27:05 GMT -8
I prefer things exactly as they are. If we read the FIA regulations, as they are makes perfect sense. Try it folks, it doesn't hurt.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 11:26:19 GMT -8
I prefer things exactly as they are. If we read the FIA regulations, as they are makes perfect sense. Try it folks, it doesn't hurt. The regs say it is OK to put all tires over the white line? If so, then why have a fucking line in the first place?
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Apr 6, 2021 12:16:50 GMT -8
I prefer things exactly as they are. If we read the FIA regulations, as they are makes perfect sense. Try it folks, it doesn't hurt. The regs say it is OK to put all tires over the white line? If so, then why have a fucking line in the first place?
No. But I meant having different stewards per race. So you guys wouldn't be bothered to get a ticket from a cop for doing 1 mile an hour over the limit? It's easy to judge others harshly as long as we aren't effected.  |
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Post by boomer on Apr 6, 2021 12:33:48 GMT -8
Arrgh! Poor analogy, I think!  |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Apr 6, 2021 12:42:16 GMT -8
Arrgh! Poor analogy, I think! I'll concede I could have tried harder, maybe.  |
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Post by Codfish on Apr 7, 2021 9:51:55 GMT -8
If the situation were reversed - in other words, if Hamilton had exceeded track limits to pass Max and thus had to give up the position - I wonder what the reactions here would have been...? I'll be the first to admit my dislike of Hamilton makes it difficult to be impartial on incidents like this...
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 7, 2021 10:26:37 GMT -8
If the situation were reversed - in other words, if Hamilton had exceeded track limits to pass Max and thus had to give up the position - I wonder what the reactions here would have been...? I'll be the first to admit my dislike of Hamilton makes it difficult to be impartial on incidents like this... Tracks enforce their limits Pull off the pass going through a gravel trap or over 100 yards of grass - you deserve the position. Maybe if the 'painted lines' are all sausage curbs |
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Post by jmjgt on Apr 7, 2021 10:51:14 GMT -8
If the situation were reversed - in other words, if Hamilton had exceeded track limits to pass Max and thus had to give up the position - I wonder what the reactions here would have been...? I'll be the first to admit my dislike of Hamilton makes it difficult to be impartial on incidents like this... If you let that stop you we're never gonna have any fun around here. |
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Post by Codfish on Apr 7, 2021 12:29:19 GMT -8
^ Good point... I'm glad you got my point... |
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 7, 2021 12:35:52 GMT -8
^ Good point... I'm glad you got my point... Real track limits are a impartial arbiter. |
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Post by pushtopass on Apr 7, 2021 13:08:09 GMT -8
^ Good point... I'm glad you got my point... Real track limits are a impartial arbiter. But they are generally impractical. That is the point. As much as teams grouse about this, they also don't want to have their car burst into flames as it hits the armco. Or bust a suspension hitting the curb. Or be stuck in the gravel trap; race over. And keep in mind that Max probably didn't mean to go out there; he got a bit out of control. Once he was out there he kept his foot in it but I am pretty sure he did not enter that corner with the intention to go wide. In other words, instead of getting second and a good haul of points for himself and the team, he would have been a DNF. Is that really what Red Bull wants? It seems not. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2021 13:17:48 GMT -8
Real track limits are a impartial arbiter. But they are generally impractical. That is the point. As much as teams grouse about this, they also don't want to have their car burst into flames as it hits the armco. Or bust a suspension hitting the curb. Or be stuck in the gravel trap; race over. And keep in mind that Max probably didn't mean to go out there; he got a bit out of control. Once he was out there he kept his foot in it but I am pretty sure he did not enter that corner with the intention to go wide. In other words, instead of getting second and a good haul of points for himself and the team, he would have been a DNF. Is that really what Red Bull wants? It seems not. The greatest drivers in the world should be able to keep the car between the white lines.
The Canada track has a big reminder of just where the track ends. I don't hear anybody pissing and moaning about removing that wall. (I'm not saying you are pissing and moaning. Moaning maybe, but not pissing) |
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 7, 2021 13:38:02 GMT -8
Real track limits are a impartial arbiter. But they are generally impractical. That is the point. As much as teams grouse about this, they also don't want to have their car burst into flames as it hits the armco. Or bust a suspension hitting the curb. Or be stuck in the gravel trap; race over. And keep in mind that Max probably didn't mean to go out there; he got a bit out of control. Once he was out there he kept his foot in it but I am pretty sure he did not enter that corner with the intention to go wide. In other words, instead of getting second and a good haul of points for himself and the team, he would have been a DNF. Is that really what Red Bull wants? It seems not. Just put of the 'Jersey wall of also rans'. |
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Post by mikey on Apr 7, 2021 13:48:43 GMT -8
But they are generally impractical. That is the point. As much as teams grouse about this, they also don't want to have their car burst into flames as it hits the armco. Or bust a suspension hitting the curb. Or be stuck in the gravel trap; race over. And keep in mind that Max probably didn't mean to go out there; he got a bit out of control. Once he was out there he kept his foot in it but I am pretty sure he did not enter that corner with the intention to go wide. In other words, instead of getting second and a good haul of points for himself and the team, he would have been a DNF. Is that really what Red Bull wants? It seems not. The greatest drivers in the world should be able to keep the car between the white lines.
The Canada track has a big reminder of just where the track ends. I don't hear anybody pissing and moaning about removing that wall. (I'm not saying you are pissing and moaning. Moaning maybe, but not pissing) And I think that's a great example of how drivers adapt to the track, if a track has physical limits like walls or barriers will slow down and not take them as fast as they otherwise might if all that happens is they go off, we want fast tooth an nail racing, that means pushing it as far as to the limit as you can and then just that little bit more and coming out the winner because of it. That doesn't happen at tracks like Monaco where there is physically almost no place to pace due to the walls unless they chuck it down the inside coming out of the tunnel. In a sport where a few points can mean a swing of millions of dollars few Teams are willing to let their drivers drive with abandon anymore and 'go for it'. |
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Post by pushtopass on Apr 7, 2021 13:56:24 GMT -8
The greatest drivers in the world should be able to keep the car between the white lines.
The Canada track has a big reminder of just where the track ends. I don't hear anybody pissing and moaning about removing that wall. (I'm not saying you are pissing and moaning. Moaning maybe, but not pissing) And I think that's a great example of how drivers adapt to the track, if a track has physical limits like walls or barriers will slow down and not take them as fast as they otherwise might if all that happens is they go off, we want fast tooth an nail racing, that means pushing it as far as to the limit as you can and then just that little bit more and coming out the winner because of it. That doesn't happen at tracks like Monaco where there is physically almost no place to pace due to the walls unless they chuck it down the inside coming out of the tunnel. In a sport where a few points can mean a swing of millions of dollars few Teams are willing to let their drivers drive with abandon anymore and 'go for it'. I am trying not to moan or piss, at least not at my desk where it might attract attention! :-) Basically I am saying that in places like Monaco and Canada those walls end up costing teams a lot of money and points. Would we be racing at Monaco if it weren't a rich enclave where half of F1 drivers live and the rich elite flock to? New tracks don't have those walls up close because that is not desired. I don't really care, I am just analyzing the situation and the fact that TEAMS are not calling for walls or gravel traps right at the edge of the track. They want at least a bit of room for error where you go off track a bit but don't hit a wall unless you are a ways outside. I don't think any F1 driver has died from a gravel trap. |
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Post by jmjgt on Apr 7, 2021 17:16:00 GMT -8
Real track limits are a impartial arbiter. But they are generally impractical. That is the point. As much as teams grouse about this, they also don't want to have their car burst into flames as it hits the armco. Or bust a suspension hitting the curb. Or be stuck in the gravel trap; race over. And keep in mind that Max probably didn't mean to go out there; he got a bit out of control. Once he was out there he kept his foot in it but I am pretty sure he did not enter that corner with the intention to go wide. In other words, instead of getting second and a good haul of points for himself and the team, he would have been a DNF. Is that really what Red Bull wants? It seems not. And that's the point, we've been through the car eating curb phase in Austria a few years ago and it did nothing in the interest of better racing. If Max thought his passing maneuver would have ended up in a chewed up car he never would have tried it in the first place and we would have been treated to a race that was decided in the last pit stop. What we got to see was two great drivers at their best. |
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Post by Codfish on Apr 7, 2021 18:11:26 GMT -8
we would have been treated to a race that was decided in the last pit stop. What we got to see was two great drivers at their best. ^ Exactly so... How often are we treated to a pass for the lead in F1...? Did Max gain an advantage by going wide, or did Lewis push him wide...? I don't really know or care - I'm just happy Max was able to try it in the first place... |
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Post by overboost on Apr 7, 2021 19:03:07 GMT -8
But Hamilton 29X off track!
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8