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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 31, 2020 11:28:45 GMT -8
^I had this dream that Lewis was actually racing 100% and not managing the gap and the tires. The real difference Ham v Bot was somewhere around the 1.4 sec gap between them after the first lap. Exactly. |
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Post by pushtopass on Aug 31, 2020 11:36:26 GMT -8
...Bottas is finishing relatively close behind Lewis. Albon can rarely even see Max during the race unless he is getting lapped. You are dreaming if you think Bottas finishes "relatively close" to Hamilton. There have been races just this season where Bottas is 15+ seconds behind at the end driving the same car. Bottas is a doormat. As I said Albon is a very weak number 2 by choice. RB had many other options and decided on this path. So you think RB moved from Gasly to Albon to get someone who is even slower than Max? No, they want more points and a #2 driver should be protecting Max's backside like Bottas does with Lewis. Albon cannot get close enough to Max to protect him and while you may believe RB wants that, I just disagree that their recent moves support your conclusion. |
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 31, 2020 12:31:49 GMT -8
^I had this dream that Lewis was actually racing 100% and not managing the gap and the tires. The real difference Ham v Bot was somewhere around the 1.4 sec gap between them after the first lap. You are probably correct - Hamilton might have lapped the field including Bottas if he had wanted to. |
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Post by jmjgt on Aug 31, 2020 12:52:42 GMT -8
RB passed on solid number 2 drivers, Ricciardo, Sainz, Kvyat. etc.., because they didn't want Max unsettled. The situation they are in is of their own design. All of those would have wanted to be treated as a #1. Well, maybe not Kvyat but I would argue he is not a strong #2 driver. Bottas is finishing relatively close behind Lewis. Albon can rarely even see Max during the race unless he is getting lapped. Bottas was actually given the opportunity to develop over time at Williams, not thrown in the deep end like Kvyat, Gasly and Albon. Red bull either can't develop the drivers they hold on to, or can't hold on to the drivers they can. |
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 31, 2020 13:16:38 GMT -8
All of those would have wanted to be treated as a #1. Well, maybe not Kvyat but I would argue he is not a strong #2 driver. Bottas is finishing relatively close behind Lewis. Albon can rarely even see Max during the race unless he is getting lapped. Bottas was actually given the opportunity to develop over time at Williams, not thrown in the deep end like Kvyat, Gasly and Albon. Red bull either can't develop the drivers they hold on to, or can't hold on to the drivers they can. Ricciardo couldn't keep up with Verstappen despite starting out with the #1 treatment. Danny didn't want the #2 treatment at RB so he went on to Renault where being #1 meant he would likely be #7 on the grid at best. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 31, 2020 13:31:23 GMT -8
You are dreaming if you think Bottas finishes "relatively close" to Hamilton. There have been races just this season where Bottas is 15+ seconds behind at the end driving the same car. Bottas is a doormat. As I said Albon is a very weak number 2 by choice. RB had many other options and decided on this path. So you think RB moved from Gasly to Albon to get someone who is even slower than Max? No, they want more points and a #2 driver should be protecting Max's backside like Bottas does with Lewis. Albon cannot get close enough to Max to protect him and while you may believe RB wants that, I just disagree that their recent moves support your conclusion. How they managed the situation speaks for itself. Gasly was a disaster and he needed to be replace. Kvyat and Albon were together at ToroRosso, Kvyat slaughtered Albon during that time but guess who got the call up to the big team? Albon. Albon has done much better point scoring-wise than Gasly. They wanted someone quicker than Gasly but not quick enough to mess with Max. That is what they got. It is what it is. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 31, 2020 13:36:23 GMT -8
Bottas was actually given the opportunity to develop over time at Williams, not thrown in the deep end like Kvyat, Gasly and Albon. Red bull either can't develop the drivers they hold on to, or can't hold on to the drivers they can. Ricciardo couldn't keep up with Verstappen despite starting out with the #1 treatment. Danny didn't want the #2 treatment at RB so he went on to Renault where being #1 meant he would likely be #7 on the grid at best. Riccardo was beating Max way too often and Max was blowing gaskets because of it. Ricciardo left because he knew if he and Max were competing for a WDC at RedBull Horner/Marko would throw him under the bus so Max would win the WDC. |
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Post by pushtopass on Aug 31, 2020 14:02:38 GMT -8
So you think RB moved from Gasly to Albon to get someone who is even slower than Max? No, they want more points and a #2 driver should be protecting Max's backside like Bottas does with Lewis. Albon cannot get close enough to Max to protect him and while you may believe RB wants that, I just disagree that their recent moves support your conclusion. How they managed the situation speaks for itself. Gasly was a disaster and he needed to be replace. Kvyat and Albon were together at ToroRosso, Kvyat slaughtered Albon during that time but guess who got the call up to the big team? Albon. Albon has done much better point scoring-wise than Gasly. They wanted someone quicker than Gasly but not quick enough to mess with Max. That is what they got. It is what it is. Because Kvyat had already been there, done that, and not succeeded. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 31, 2020 14:09:58 GMT -8
How they managed the situation speaks for itself. Gasly was a disaster and he needed to be replace. Kvyat and Albon were together at ToroRosso, Kvyat slaughtered Albon during that time but guess who got the call up to the big team? Albon. Albon has done much better point scoring-wise than Gasly. They wanted someone quicker than Gasly but not quick enough to mess with Max. That is what they got. It is what it is. Because Kvyat had already been there, done that, and not succeeded. Kvyat was cut loose because of a bad attitude, not on track performance. That is why they brought him back. He did a year as Ferrari's test driver and after a conversation with Marko about his new perspective he was back in the fold. Kvyat is just fast enough and experienced enough to annoy Max. RD do not want Max annoyed. |
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Post by jmjgt on Aug 31, 2020 15:12:46 GMT -8
Bottas was actually given the opportunity to develop over time at Williams, not thrown in the deep end like Kvyat, Gasly and Albon. Red bull either can't develop the drivers they hold on to, or can't hold on to the drivers they can. Ricciardo couldn't keep up with Verstappen despite starting out with the #1 treatment. Danny didn't want the #2 treatment at RB so he went on to Renault where being #1 meant he would likely be #7 on the grid at best. Red Bull was ready to give Ricci equal status, but Danny knows exactly what it means not to be Horner's man crush. |
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Post by jmjgt on Aug 31, 2020 16:07:44 GMT -8
How they managed the situation speaks for itself. Gasly was a disaster and he needed to be replace. Kvyat and Albon were together at ToroRosso, Kvyat slaughtered Albon during that time but guess who got the call up to the big team? Albon. Albon has done much better point scoring-wise than Gasly. They wanted someone quicker than Gasly but not quick enough to mess with Max. That is what they got. It is what it is. Because Kvyat had already been there, done that, and not succeeded. And neither has anyone else they moved up too soon, you would think at some point they'd learn. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Sept 1, 2020 4:35:17 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 1, 2020 6:07:20 GMT -8
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Post by pushtopass on Sept 1, 2020 12:03:23 GMT -8
Jolyon Palmer certainly has expertise at being a doormat |
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