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Post by montybriscoe on Aug 30, 2020 18:02:29 GMT -8
Centuries and anniversaries/birthdays are not the same thing. First year of new century always ends with a 1, not a zero (2000 was last year of 20th century and 2001 was first year of 21st century).😛 Yeah I know, I was just joking Monte - probably should have made that clearer... And I was being a smartass. |
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Post by Codfish on Aug 30, 2020 18:24:09 GMT -8
The FIA is banning special engines modes starting at Monza next week so the engine mode the cars use in practice is the same mode they have to use in qualifying and the race. The FIA has also required the teams to supply detailed Power Unit design and function specification in an effort to thwart "cheating". That might bring the pack a little closer to the Mercedes but I am not holding my breath. For next year and the years after they are still hashing out how the upgrade tokens for both engine and aero will be allocated. Again I am not too hopefully this will slow Mercedes down either. The real problem is Mercedes have amassed the top engineers, engine builders and designers. Add a driver like Hamilton to that group, with a teammate who isn't a threat to him, and they will most likely continue to dominate. Yep. These token systems are complete bullshit and are a large part of what cemented Merc's avdantage throughout this PU era. And yeah, when the head of the team has specifically stated that they can and will spend any amount that it takes to win, it makes it more than a little tough on everyone else. They can poach engineers they don't even need, just to keep other teams from having them. Then you have clueless or agenda-driven fans saying about the other manufacturers/teams "Well, just do a better job then". It's just not that simple. What an unbelievable joke. And mess. Hopefully, the budget cap can be enforced and help level the playing field.
Thanks guys - you told me what I wanted to know... Or perhaps more accurately - what I didn't want to know...  |
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 30, 2020 18:44:58 GMT -8
Not a chance, Bottas is not capable of racing Hamilton head to head. The season is over and has been over for awhile now. The second Silverstone was tire fluke. I totally agree but Bottas thinks he can race him, personally I think Bottas doesn't take into account that Lulu was not running full speed when Bottas wanted to get racey and once both cars get racey Lulu is a better driver, Bottas is good but not THAT good. Personally I also think if he stays behind Lulu he can build his rep as an exxcellent #2 guy who can win when needed but can follow and block too. Alot like Massa and Rubens did and then proved it once they were equal with their teammates. Bottas could be a #1 on most any of the other teams - but not on MB. He was #1 when he was liberated from Team Willi - he should have seen the writing on the shithouse wall then. |
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Post by jmjgt on Aug 30, 2020 18:46:54 GMT -8
The one thing i saw was it looked like the pink cars have cashed out on their development advantage, the problem with year old cars is no matter how good they were the year before most of the juice has already been squeezed out of them.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Aug 30, 2020 18:51:27 GMT -8
The one thing i saw was it looked like the pink cars have cashed out on their development advantage, the problem with year old cars is no matter how good they were the year before most of the juice has already been squeezed out of them. Also file under "Williams/Haas Syndrome". Rock up in Oz fast as hell, and then slowly drop back as everyone out-develops you. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Aug 30, 2020 20:20:46 GMT -8
I would rank Barrichello and Irvine higher. I would say, imo, that Bottas and Barrichello have been pretty even with one other. One could argue either one was better than the other. I would definitely rank them both above Irvine. Irvine, save for 1999 when Schumacher was sidelined with a broken leg, definitely performed as the #2 at Ferrari. The performance gap between MS and Irvine was quite a bit bigger than it was between MS and Barrichello. The 1996 season proved that for me. Rubens had a seldom mentioned disadvantage. He never used the left foot brake scheme or whatever ya want to call it. He was a old school heel and toe guy. A carry over from the days when the cars had a clutch pedal. Heel and toe braking is never as fast as left foot braking. Did he change somewhere over the years? Maybe. But when he was at ferrsri this was discussed. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Aug 30, 2020 20:29:07 GMT -8
I posted a link to his comments earlier. But I haven't scene anything else on the net about it. Who was the brit engineer that left ferrari after his wife died? Seems that guy ended up at merc. Or was it the FIA? Prolly with all the goods on what ferrari were doing. |
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Post by jmjgt on Aug 30, 2020 20:36:02 GMT -8
I posted a link to his comments earlier. But I haven't scene anything else on the net about it. Who was the brit engineer that left ferrari after his wife died? Seems that guy ended up at merc. Or was it the FIA? Prolly with all the goods on what ferrari were doing. James Allison, he took over for Paddy Lowe at Merc. |
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Post by Placid on Aug 31, 2020 3:00:51 GMT -8
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Post by montybriscoe on Aug 31, 2020 3:03:28 GMT -8
Maybe the snowflakes need to accept that racing is inherently dangerous? |
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Post by olderguysrule on Aug 31, 2020 3:16:15 GMT -8
I posted a link to his comments earlier. But I haven't scene anything else on the net about it. Who was the brit engineer that left ferrari after his wife died? Seems that guy ended up at merc. Or was it the FIA? Prolly with all the goods on what ferrari were doing. James Allison, he took over for Paddy Lowe at Merc. That's the guy. Thanx. :-) Paddy went to Williams. And did such a poor job they gave him the taxi ride to the airport. :-) |
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Post by pushtopass on Aug 31, 2020 3:47:11 GMT -8
I totally agree but Bottas thinks he can race him, personally I think Bottas doesn't take into account that Lulu was not running full speed when Bottas wanted to get racey and once both cars get racey Lulu is a better driver, Bottas is good but not THAT good. Personally I also think if he stays behind Lulu he can build his rep as an exxcellent #2 guy who can win when needed but can follow and block too. Alot like Massa and Rubens did and then proved it once they were equal with their teammates. Bottas has already proven his worth, which is not a lot. Nobody needs a solid number 2 driver. There are plenty of them available right now. Actually I think RB would kill for a solid number 2 driver at the moment. |
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 31, 2020 4:40:14 GMT -8
At one point in time - it was felt that if one was within a second of the lap time of whomever was the quick time there would be a REAL RACE to the checker flag.
Those days are in the rear view mirror. These days if one is not within a tenth of the quick time you are left pounding sand when it comes to the race. With the reliability of today's cars what ever the time differences are just get repeated lap after lap until there is a margin of 10 or 15 seconds when the checker flies.
What has, in the past, put the results of races in doubt has been mistakes - driving mistakes by drivers, car mistakes (parts failure etc.), engine mistakes (kerblammo). F1 of today and relatively all reasonably funded professional racing most all those 'mistakes' have been bred out of the equation. These days the differences, if any, that result in a finishing order different than qualifying are the team works involved in pitting (in lap, the pit stop, out lap) and whatever strategic decisions are made on set up in the pit stop (tire pressures, tire type, wing angles etc.).
The aero in open wheel series are such that 'near equal' drivers can't get close enough to actually make a contested pass without danger to both. F1 is saying that cars become less stable if they get within 7 seconds of the car ahead. Indy car, on speedways it would appear, become unstable when within 3 tenths to half a second of the leading car. That is on cars that have similar performance potentials, where the performance potential is greater passing lappers can happen as the driver is able to 'carry' his car through the zone of instability quickly enough not to maintain control and complete the pass.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 31, 2020 4:46:52 GMT -8
I totally agree but Bottas thinks he can race him, personally I think Bottas doesn't take into account that Lulu was not running full speed when Bottas wanted to get racey and once both cars get racey Lulu is a better driver, Bottas is good but not THAT good. Personally I also think if he stays behind Lulu he can build his rep as an exxcellent #2 guy who can win when needed but can follow and block too. Alot like Massa and Rubens did and then proved it once they were equal with their teammates. Bottas could be a #1 on most any of the other teams - but not on MB. He was #1 when he was liberated from Team Willi - he should have seen the writing on the shithouse wall then. Because of his complete domination by Lewis no team would hire hm as a number 1 driver now. That is what matters. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 31, 2020 4:49:48 GMT -8
Bottas has already proven his worth, which is not a lot. Nobody needs a solid number 2 driver. There are plenty of them available right now. Actually I think RB would kill for a solid number 2 driver at the moment. RB passed on solid number 2 drivers, Ricciardo, Sainz, Kvyat. etc.., because they didn't want Max unsettled. The situation they are in is of their own design. |
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Post by Pistola on Aug 31, 2020 6:45:48 GMT -8
The one thing i saw was it looked like the pink cars have cashed out on their development advantage, the problem with year old cars is no matter how good they were the year before most of the juice has already been squeezed out of them. Partly. Not pitting Perez under the safety car sent him to the back at half race. He did well to score a point and should have been higher. Spa in some ways is not a true representation of a cars ability with the 2 extremes of setup needing to work. |
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Post by pushtopass on Aug 31, 2020 7:54:40 GMT -8
Actually I think RB would kill for a solid number 2 driver at the moment. RB passed on solid number 2 drivers, Ricciardo, Sainz, Kvyat. etc.., because they didn't want Max unsettled. The situation they are in is of their own design. All of those would have wanted to be treated as a #1. Well, maybe not Kvyat but I would argue he is not a strong #2 driver. Bottas is finishing relatively close behind Lewis. Albon can rarely even see Max during the race unless he is getting lapped. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 31, 2020 8:55:11 GMT -8
...Bottas is finishing relatively close behind Lewis. Albon can rarely even see Max during the race unless he is getting lapped. You are dreaming if you think Bottas finishes "relatively close" to Hamilton. There have been races just this season where Bottas is 15+ seconds behind at the end driving the same car. Bottas is a doormat. As I said Albon is a very weak number 2 by choice. RB had many other options and decided on this path. |
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 31, 2020 10:09:24 GMT -8
...Bottas is finishing relatively close behind Lewis. Albon can rarely even see Max during the race unless he is getting lapped. You are dreaming if you think Bottas finishes "relatively close" to Hamilton. There have been races just this season where Bottas is 15+ seconds behind at the end driving the same car. Bottas is a doormat. As I said Albon is a very weak number 2 by choice. RB had many other options and decided on this path. Bottas is finishing 15 seconds back - the rest of the #1's are finishing a minute or more and in many cases a lap or more back. That 15 seconds works out to be between 1 and 2 tenths of a second of a lap over race distance. |
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Post by Pistola on Aug 31, 2020 10:44:43 GMT -8
^I had this dream that Lewis was actually racing 100% and not managing the gap and the tires. The real difference Ham v Bot was somewhere around the 1.4 sec gap between them after the first lap.
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