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Post by jmjgt on Jul 7, 2020 11:21:46 GMT -8
Irrelevant, the contact took place well after the apex. And if the roles were reversed, Lewis would be screaming. Everybody whines when they are the outside 'passer' that didn't get clear. I've whined when I made the same mistake. When you attempt 'sketchy' passes you will get burnt from time to time. Albon got burnt. Were Lewis to make the same move with the same result he would also be burnt. It is up to the passer to MAKE the pass, Albon didn't.  Looks like a pass well on the way to being completed to me, and that's how the stewards saw it as well. Lulu's made the same pass on the same corner the difference being the driver he was passing was smart enough to know it was time to give up. He turned a 3rd into 4th trying to keep 2nd. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 7, 2020 12:02:57 GMT -8
Irrelevant, the contact took place well after the apex. And if the roles were reversed, Lewis would be screaming. Everybody whines when they are the outside 'passer' that didn't get clear. I've whined when I made the same mistake. When you attempt 'sketchy' passes you will get burnt from time to time. Albon got burnt. Were Lewis to make the same move with the same result he would also be burnt. It is up to the passer to MAKE the pass, Albon didn't. Correction ... he DID make the pass, Lewis ran into him when he saw he had passed him. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 7, 2020 13:19:53 GMT -8
Everybody whines when they are the outside 'passer' that didn't get clear. I've whined when I made the same mistake. When you attempt 'sketchy' passes you will get burnt from time to time. Albon got burnt. Were Lewis to make the same move with the same result he would also be burnt. It is up to the passer to MAKE the pass, Albon didn't. Correction ... he DID make the pass, Lewis ran into him when he saw he had passed him. Driver's seat by is not completing the pass! A pass is not completed until the entirety of the passer's car is CLEAR of the passee's car. A outside pass is always 'sketchy' especially a contested one. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 7, 2020 13:35:06 GMT -8
Correction ... he DID make the pass, Lewis ran into him when he saw he had passed him. Driver's seat by is not completing the pass! A pass is not completed until the entirety of the passer's car is CLEAR of the passee's car. A outside pass is always 'sketchy' especially a contested one. Tell it to the stewards. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 7, 2020 13:45:43 GMT -8
Driver's seat by is not completing the pass! A pass is not completed until the entirety of the passer's car is CLEAR of the passee's car. A outside pass is always 'sketchy' especially a contested one. Tell it to the stewards. F the stewards - tell it to Albon about his race craft. Whether Hamilton gets penalized or not is not the question - Albon threw his race away with a low probability move. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 7, 2020 13:58:24 GMT -8
F the stewards - tell it to Albon about his race craft. Whether Hamilton gets penalized or not is not the question - Albon threw his race away with a low probability move. Spoken like someone who's been on the wrong side of the stewards a time or two. |
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Post by wayfast on Jul 7, 2020 14:34:06 GMT -8
Sounds like somebody is a die hard Louie fan. It hard to be objective when you are firmly in someone's corner.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 7, 2020 17:11:03 GMT -8
Found this interesting. His last two laps were super clean, spot on.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 7, 2020 17:14:25 GMT -8
Driver's seat by is not completing the pass! A pass is not completed until the entirety of the passer's car is CLEAR of the passee's car. A outside pass is always 'sketchy' especially a contested one. Same question still applies and is awaiting your answer. How can a clean overtake occur if the driver being passed purposely and illegally crashes into the overtaker? |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 7, 2020 17:41:08 GMT -8
Seb is auditioning for drivers steward next year.
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 7, 2020 19:37:39 GMT -8
Sounds like somebody is a die hard Louie fan. It hard to be objective when you are firmly in someone's corner. Not a Lewis fan - not a Lewis hater either. Outside passes in a corner are always risky - sometimes you get bit, like Albon did. Race craft is assessing the risk of the move vs. the reward vs. the penalty to YOU if you don't make it - it has no bearing on what the competition does to help or hinder the move. Albon's move was high risk where he did it, knowing he had superior tires and would have the DSR advantage later in the lap and be in position to make an easier pass. If curiosity kills the cat, impatience doesn't do a race driver any good either. |
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Post by mikey on Jul 8, 2020 3:11:19 GMT -8
Sounds like somebody is a die hard Louie fan. It hard to be objective when you are firmly in someone's corner. Not a Lewis fan - not a Lewis hater either. Outside passes in a corner are always risky - sometimes you get bit, like Albon did. Race craft is assessing the risk of the move vs. the reward vs. the penalty to YOU if you don't make it - it has no bearing on what the competition does to help or hinder the move. Albon's move was high risk where he did it, knowing he had superior tires and would have the DSR advantage later in the lap and be in position to make an easier pass. If curiosity kills the cat, impatience doesn't do a race driver any good either. And the announcers at the time said that Dr Marko would be having conversations with the drivers about things like that, I think that's what they like about Albon and Max they take chances most people wouldn't and now the Team has to figure out how to temper that enthusiasm with race craft and thinking about the race as a whole and not just right here right now. We have seen that in the past with Lulu and Seb and the other better drivers, wait a lap or two and the pass becomes easier, Max has done that a few times by setting people up thinking he's going one way then all of a sudden he's gone the other way and passed someone and it's too late to stop him. Even Kvyat is better than he used to be but poor old Maldonaldo never did figure it out. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Jul 8, 2020 3:56:52 GMT -8
Not a Lewis fan - not a Lewis hater either. Outside passes in a corner are always risky - sometimes you get bit, like Albon did. Race craft is assessing the risk of the move vs. the reward vs. the penalty to YOU if you don't make it - it has no bearing on what the competition does to help or hinder the move. Albon's move was high risk where he did it, knowing he had superior tires and would have the DSR advantage later in the lap and be in position to make an easier pass. If curiosity kills the cat, impatience doesn't do a race driver any good either. And the announcers at the time said that Dr Marko would be having conversations with the drivers about things like that, I think that's what they like about Albon and Max they take chances most people wouldn't and now the Team has to figure out how to temper that enthusiasm with race craft and thinking about the race as a whole and not just right here right now. We have seen that in the past with Lulu and Seb and the other better drivers, wait a lap or two and the pass becomes easier, Max has done that a few times by setting people up thinking he's going one way then all of a sudden he's gone the other way and passed someone and it's too late to stop him. Even Kvyat is better than he used to be but poor old Maldonaldo never did figure it out. Maldonaldo figured out how to win a race in a shit team.  |
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Post by wayfast on Jul 8, 2020 6:11:15 GMT -8
I think they were too far through the corner to be Albon fault. If it happened a few yard farther back I could view it as a racing accident. Its not like they were side by side either as Albon was clearly ahead. Doesn't matter now and they get to do it all over again this weekend.
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 8, 2020 7:20:28 GMT -8
I think they were too far through the corner to be Albon fault. If it happened a few yard farther back I could view it as a racing accident. Its not like they were side by side either as Albon was clearly ahead. Doesn't matter now and they get to do it all over again this weekend. If you don't own the line at the entry, you down't own it at the exit either. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Jul 8, 2020 7:59:01 GMT -8
I'm still Team Liuzzi. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 8, 2020 8:49:23 GMT -8
I'm still Team Liuzzi. Whoop d f'n doo! Albon's reward for a ill advised move was a 13th place 'finish' and a penalty to Hamilton. 13th vs. what would have been a sure 2nd had he exercised a bit of patience - what a win! |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Jul 8, 2020 10:45:21 GMT -8
I'm still Team Liuzzi. Whoop d f'n doo! Albon's reward for a ill advised move was a 13th place 'finish' and a penalty to Hamilton. 13th vs. what would have been a sure 2nd had he exercised a bit of patience - what a win! ....still Team Liuzzi. What the fuck do I care about Albon? A long as the slop eaters are crying and you're wrong I'm HAPPY.  |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 8, 2020 11:13:54 GMT -8
If you don't own the line at the entry, you down't own it at the exit either. Unbelievable BS. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 8, 2020 11:56:57 GMT -8
If you don't own the line at the entry, you down't own it at the exit either. Unbelievable BS. Go ahead and wreck your cars trying it. |
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