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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 5, 2020 12:58:43 GMT -8
Though I would add that Vitantonio Luzzi has a lot of experience being passed so I appreciate his insight. And when you drive a Mercedes being passed isn't one of your experiences.  Not since the last time Nico passed Lewis, no  |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 5, 2020 15:41:18 GMT -8
Look closely at the video. Heck, not even that closely! When they touch Albon's front tires are likely still on the black, and his rears are perhaps barely on the red and white even AFTER he has started is spin with the rear. There was room, though not much. Unfortunately Albon's video seemed broken. Albon's tire on the red prove he was at the edge of the track. At that point Lewis' tires were already interlocked with Albon's. Albon could not have driven any wider to get around Lewis. Lewis didn't leave room, that is an automatic penalty.  Seriously, Carlo, just look at the video on that post above. Slow it down around 17 seconds in. You clearly see that Albon is completely on the black even after contact. If you cannot see that then I can't help you. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 5, 2020 15:47:03 GMT -8
This is AFTER they have already touched. Albon is in the black. Now, the stewards had some reason and I am guessing it is in the steering or throttle data but it is NOT because he did not leave room. Of if that is their reason, then they are wrong. One could argue that if Lewis continued on his line then there would no longer be a car width, but at the point they hit there was more than a car width.  |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 5, 2020 15:53:06 GMT -8
And this is the view from above at about exactly the same time as the one you posted. They are interlocked but Albon is nowhere near the edge of the track.  |
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Post by montybriscoe on Jul 5, 2020 15:59:54 GMT -8
Anyway, it is what it is. Apparently it is not!🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 5, 2020 16:02:19 GMT -8
The obligation of the passer is to pull off the pass WITHOUT the passee having to take any actions to avoid contact. Albon got greedy and tried a move of low probability - the penalty to Hamilton is superfluous, Albon F'd up his own race, especially since he was on fresh Softs and Hamilton was on worn Hards.
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Post by safetycar on Jul 5, 2020 16:08:11 GMT -8
I have no opinion on the Hamilton/Albon situation. I thought it was Lewis' fault, but I am not a fan and tend to assume the worst. I am so happy for Lando Norris though. And now we do it all over again starting in 5 days.
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Jul 5, 2020 16:16:33 GMT -8
This is AFTER they have already touched. Albon is in the black. Now, the stewards had some reason and I am guessing it is in the steering or throttle data but it is NOT because he did not leave room. Of if that is their reason, then they are wrong. One could argue that if Lewis continued on his line then there would no longer be a car width, but at the point they hit there was more than a car width. The track is defined by the white lines. What's next to Albon's car? Still loving Liuzzi.  |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 5, 2020 16:24:01 GMT -8
This is AFTER they have already touched. Albon is in the black. Now, the stewards had some reason and I am guessing it is in the steering or throttle data but it is NOT because he did not leave room. Of if that is their reason, then they are wrong. One could argue that if Lewis continued on his line then there would no longer be a car width, but at the point they hit there was more than a car width. The track is defined by the white lines. What's next to Albon's car? Still loving Liuzzi. "Next to" is correct. Not "under" I do wonder about the enforcement of rules versus the harm. No other sport does that, do they? Perhaps they should. I mean, Vettel plowed into Sainz; should it matter that it probably didn't overly hinder his race? Hmmmm.... |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Jul 5, 2020 16:40:51 GMT -8
The track is defined by the white lines. What's next to Albon's car? Still loving Liuzzi. "Next to" is correct. Not "under" I do wonder about the enforcement of rules versus the harm. No other sport does that, do they? Perhaps they should. I mean, Vettel plowed into Sainz; should it matter that it probably didn't overly hinder his race? Hmmmm.... Right. So Albon was making a pass on "the track" when Lewis hit him. If Albon went wider left he's not on the track. Albon is following the Regulations while Lewis is breaching them. Perhaps that why the Majesty of Liuzzi dropped the hammer on him? |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 5, 2020 17:00:08 GMT -8
The obligation of the passer is to pull off the pass WITHOUT the passee having to take any actions to avoid contact. Albon got greedy and tried a move of low probability - the penalty to Hamilton is superfluous, Albon F'd up his own race, especially since he was on fresh Softs and Hamilton was on worn Hards. I understand, so a racer goes to make a clean pass on someone and the driver being passed defends by driving right into him/her and the person making the pass is then at fault? Good god what a joke. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 5, 2020 17:01:40 GMT -8
Right. So Albon was making a pass on "the track" when Lewis hit him. If Albon went wider left he's not on the track. Albon is following the Regulations while Lewis is breaching them. .. Logic and rules just are too difficult for some to comprehend. And some just like the attention of being a contrarian. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Jul 5, 2020 17:13:52 GMT -8
Right. So Albon was making a pass on "the track" when Lewis hit him. If Albon went wider left he's not on the track. Albon is following the Regulations while Lewis is breaching them. .. Logic and rules just are too difficult for some to comprehend. And some just like the attention of being a contrarian. No they don't. |
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Post by turn8 on Jul 5, 2020 18:22:25 GMT -8
1. There was room for both of them. But Albon was ahead and Lewis understeered into him, not great driving. Five seconds seems about right. The consequences were substantial, two places and a podium. At least he didn't get the penalty and still win the race,
2. Very interesting race, the attrition was quite refreshing.😎
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 5, 2020 18:23:30 GMT -8
So what will happen first? HAAS leaves F1 or solves its brake issues. The first solves the second, and the way things look it may be the only answer. |
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 5, 2020 18:24:21 GMT -8
As for the LH penalty, while it screwed up Albon's race (perhaps, his retirement may have not been related??) Lewis didn't have a lot of places to go once he'd entered the corner. When they touched there was still some track outside of Albon. I would have called it a racing incident but the five second penalty seems reasonable. Lewis better get his stuff together for next weekend! That was a clear penalty all the way. Many other pairs of drivers went through that same corner side by side without incident. Lewis hits Albon's rear tire. Tried to close the door after the horse left the barn. Should have been ten seconds. This. |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 5, 2020 18:44:31 GMT -8
My other lasting impression of today was the possibility that Bottas slowed down Hammy just enough to give Norris his shot. If he didn't he should have.
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Post by hst4me on Jul 5, 2020 19:20:43 GMT -8
Meh.
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Post by olderguysrule on Jul 6, 2020 2:58:44 GMT -8
best line of the weekend. albon on the radio after lulu punts him off. "This guy is such a sore loser"
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 6, 2020 4:49:51 GMT -8
The obligation of the passer is to pull off the pass WITHOUT the passee having to take any actions to avoid contact. Albon got greedy and tried a move of low probability - the penalty to Hamilton is superfluous, Albon F'd up his own race, especially since he was on fresh Softs and Hamilton was on worn Hards. I understand, so a racer goes to make a clean pass on someone and the driver being passed defends by driving right into him/her and the person making the pass is then at fault? Good god what a joke. Basic racecraft - Albon made a move of low probability and probability caught him - rookie mistake. Albon had fresh softs vs Hamiltons worn hards, hew would also have DRS in his favor. Every pass is a calculated risk. Albon's calculations were wrong. Albon didn't have any problem going beyond the white line on the entry to the corner, why should he have any problem going beyond the white line on the exit? |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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