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Pocono
Sept 1, 2019 22:26:28 GMT -8
Post by Power Fan79 on Sept 1, 2019 22:26:28 GMT -8
It sounds like Pocono really wanted to be on the schedule. It’s not often tracks actually want an oval race so I think this is a mistake. What made Pocono dangerous was poor driving decisions more than a dangerous track and an easy solution to the extra mileage on the engines is simple, eliminate one of the two Detroit races and the practice and qualifying that goes with it. Detroit could have more than enough action with the ladder series and sports cars. Like I said, losing Pocono is a mistake on many levels, most importantly is geographically.
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Pocono
Sept 1, 2019 22:27:15 GMT -8
Post by Power Fan79 on Sept 1, 2019 22:27:15 GMT -8
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Pocono
Sept 2, 2019 4:00:19 GMT -8
Post by loudpedal on Sept 2, 2019 4:00:19 GMT -8
I would much rather see them back at Watkins Glen.
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Post by cookiedude on Sept 2, 2019 6:59:49 GMT -8
It sounds like a missed opportunity for IndyCar. Every race, especially starts and restarts, made my blood pressure and heartrate skyrocket, and I'm sitting in front of the tv. I wouldn't be surprised if insurance, sponsors, or even certain teams said no to going back. Maybe even Miles. Not a good look when the majority of the races have massive catastrophic wrecks like Wickens, Wilson, and then this year's too.
If they get back to the NE, I hope it's Watkins Glen or Baltimore. Both were pretty good races.
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Pocono
Sept 2, 2019 7:21:39 GMT -8
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Post by montybriscoe on Sept 2, 2019 7:21:39 GMT -8
I think in the end, it was just business, nothing personal with Pocono.
The northeast doesn't seem like a hot bed for open wheel racing.
Watkins Glen was essentially a track rental by Indy Car to fill a void on their schedule. I don't think attendance at Loudon was all that great.
I think what worked against Pocono was it is out in the middle of nowhere. No nearby metropolitan areas and its attendance probably didn't hit the numbers that Indy Car would have liked. Road America is sort of out in the boondocks too. However, I think it is attended much better than Pocono. Richmond is near a major airport and one of the biggest cities in Virginia. So, it fits Indy Car's business model.
I think Indy Car at Boston was what the series really wanted but it did not work out.
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Pocono
Sept 2, 2019 9:27:25 GMT -8
Post by Power Fan79 on Sept 2, 2019 9:27:25 GMT -8
I would much rather see them back at Watkins Glen. Or that.
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Pocono
Sept 2, 2019 19:50:51 GMT -8
Post by Codfish on Sept 2, 2019 19:50:51 GMT -8
Circuit Mont-Tremblant
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Post by Spin on Sept 4, 2019 4:49:17 GMT -8
Pocono is gone because some team owners don't want to go back.
Danger has been cited, but is the catch fence any more dangerous than the ones at Toronto or Houston? Even with the lack of (any) support races, attendance has improved every year. Ratings improved.
I don't think certain owners want to go back to super speedways because of the potential cost. Except Indy, where the sponsorships and payouts are high. To hell with the fans.
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Pocono
Sept 4, 2019 5:20:32 GMT -8
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Post by montybriscoe on Sept 4, 2019 5:20:32 GMT -8
Pocono is gone because some team owners don't want to go back. Danger has been cited, but is the catch fence any more dangerous than the ones at Toronto or Houston? Even with the lack of (any) support races, attendance has improved every year. Ratings improved. I don't think certain owners want to go back to super speedways because of the potential cost. Except Indy, where the sponsorships and payouts are high. To hell with the fans. RM said Pocono is gone because the track owners didn't promote and put all their eggs into their two NASCAR dates. Once informed by NASCAR that they would only be getting one date next year, they suddenly decided they were interested in keeping Indy Car. Prior to that, they showed little interest either way. By the time they informed Indy Car of their intent, Indy Car was well down the road in negotiations with Richmond. A lot of he said/she said. It is up to each individual what they want to believe.
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Pocono
Sept 4, 2019 7:36:13 GMT -8
Post by Power Fan79 on Sept 4, 2019 7:36:13 GMT -8
Pocono is gone because some team owners don't want to go back. Danger has been cited, but is the catch fence any more dangerous than the ones at Toronto or Houston? Even with the lack of (any) support races, attendance has improved every year. Ratings improved. I don't think certain owners want to go back to super speedways because of the potential cost. Except Indy, where the sponsorships and payouts are high. To hell with the fans. RM said Pocono is gone because the track owners didn't promote and put all their eggs into their two NASCAR dates. Once informed by NASCAR that they would only be getting one date next year, they suddenly decided they were interested in keeping Indy Car. Prior to that, they showed little interest either way. By the time they informed Indy Car of their intent, Indy Car was well down the road in negotiations with Richmond. A lot of he said/she said. It is up to each individual what they want to believe. From the outside looking in, to me it looked like Indycar was looking for a reason to leave Pocono. I’ll say it right now, Richmond will not draw any better but it will be sold like it did and the racing will be similar to Phoenix. As far as being like Iowa, I have been to Iowa almost every year and I think the past few haven’t been all that good. I hope I’m wrong about Richmond.
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Pocono
Sept 4, 2019 13:27:18 GMT -8
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Post by Buck on Sept 4, 2019 13:27:18 GMT -8
Heard ABC Roofing pullout was also a factor...
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Pocono
Sept 4, 2019 14:25:42 GMT -8
Post by loudpedal on Sept 4, 2019 14:25:42 GMT -8
^Thank you for typing in your post. Really.
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Pocono
Sept 4, 2019 15:07:32 GMT -8
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Post by montybriscoe on Sept 4, 2019 15:07:32 GMT -8
Heard ABC Roofing pullout was also a factor... Maybe the final nail as Indy Car probably already had one foot and four toes out of the door before the ABC announcement.
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Pocono
Sept 4, 2019 17:52:43 GMT -8
Post by Spin on Sept 4, 2019 17:52:43 GMT -8
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Pocono
Sept 5, 2019 6:24:48 GMT -8
Post by loudpedal on Sept 5, 2019 6:24:48 GMT -8
^Pocono is in Andretti's back yard. It's only 30 something miles from his home town.
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Pocono
Sept 5, 2019 11:04:33 GMT -8
Post by Power Fan79 on Sept 5, 2019 11:04:33 GMT -8
' I agree with Mario. I don’t think the series ever intended on returning. The series could be back up to 6 ovals and decided against it. Going forward the series would really only need to add a second race in Canada and to me, that’s a solid 19 race schedule.
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Pocono
Sept 5, 2019 17:26:25 GMT -8
Post by mmi16 on Sept 5, 2019 17:26:25 GMT -8
Between the Justin Wilson incident, Wickens incident and then the Sato fiasco - Pocono did not present good optics to the racing world.
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Pocono
Sept 5, 2019 17:49:43 GMT -8
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Post by montybriscoe on Sept 5, 2019 17:49:43 GMT -8
Didn't Indy Car tell Pocono they wanted all these safety improvements made before next summer as a condition to returning? Pocono said it wouldn't be possible, since it would cost over a million dollars?
And Mario, God bless him, but Pocono is his local track so he is going to defend them regardless.
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Pocono
Sept 7, 2019 11:19:50 GMT -8
Post by Codfish on Sept 7, 2019 11:19:50 GMT -8
Between the Justin Wilson incident, Wickens incident and then the Sato fiasco - Pocono did not present good optics to the racing world. I would go beyond that and say catch fencing in general has resulted in many devastating open wheel accidents... Kenny Braack, Dan Wheldon, Dario Franchitti, Robert Wickens all come to mind...
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Pocono
Sept 7, 2019 12:06:55 GMT -8
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Post by montybriscoe on Sept 7, 2019 12:06:55 GMT -8
Between the Justin Wilson incident, Wickens incident and then the Sato fiasco - Pocono did not present good optics to the racing world. I would go beyond that and say catch fencing in general has resulted in many devastating open wheel accidents... Kenny Braack, Dan Wheldon, Dario Franchitti, Robert Wickens all come to mind... Go further back to Jeff Krosnoff and Tony Renna....RIP to both.
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