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Post by olderguysrule on Sept 11, 2018 18:28:29 GMT -8
^^ one of the brits had a good article about vettel on the web last week. If I can find it I'll post it. Comparing his years with the bulls and his years at ferrari. The drift of the article was that vettel's failures aren't all his fault. When he raced for the bulls, all he had to do was drive the car. they knew what kind of car he needed and they pretty much gave it to him. It's not that way at ferrari. He's been much more involved in getting the car right for a race weekend. because as often as not, (my input) the car isn't right. It puts a lot of pressure on him. Something that he never had at the ded cows. and sometimes it shows. he makes mistakes. like at monza. or in Germany. But when they get things right, like in spa, he's untouchable.
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 11, 2018 19:21:26 GMT -8
^The problem I see is Vettel never learned to live to fight another day at red bull, nor did he really ever have to fight in the trenches.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Sept 12, 2018 1:19:10 GMT -8
^The problem I see is Vettel never learned to live to fight another day at red bull, nor did he really ever have to fight in the trenches. That's exactly right. Once he learned to drive counter intuitively with the blown diffuser, his only competition was Webber. Once Webber left, he had trouble beating Smilin' Dan regularly.
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Post by jfme on Sept 12, 2018 5:30:19 GMT -8
Sebastian's mistakes have been due to his impatience. All he had to do at Monza was tuck behind Kimi and in front of Hambone. Instead, he tried to win the race on the first corner and paid the price.
With Kimi up to speed and gone to Sauber next year, he has to be flawless for the remaining races. Especially with Hamilton having his teammate and Mercedes supplied teams as his bitches.
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Post by mmi16 on Sept 12, 2018 11:02:53 GMT -8
Sebastian's mistakes have been due to his impatience. All he had to do at Monza was tuck behind Kimi and in front of Hambone. Instead, he tried to win the race on the first corner and paid the price. With Kimi up to speed and gone to Sauber next year, he has to be flawless for the remaining races. Especially with Hamilton having his teammate and Mercedes supplied teams as his bitches. Is Kimi going to Sauber going to give Vettel 3 wingmen - His #2 at Ferrari and Kimi and his #2 at Sauber.
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Post by ChemEng on Sept 13, 2018 18:03:00 GMT -8
Ferrari wanted a dedicated wingman who won't get in Fattel's way or actually try to win a race themselves. That's likely the short-term goal, but my take is they want to accelerate Leclerc's path to becoming WDC. Vettel does not exactly inspire confidence when the pressure is on. That is exactly the point. Kimi is simply too old for a young man's sport. He is still very talented and now very knowledgeable and disciplined, but he has lost the speed on his reflexes just enough that he does not have the confidence to push it to the edge like he did when he was younger.
Leclerc will have the green light for two reasons. One, they want to motivate him, and two because Vettel is simply too relaxed knowing he can easily out-pace Kimi. Vettel needs to have some pressure on him to keep sharp. I think Ferrari are hoping that Leclerc will provide competition to Vettel. Leclerc should be able to push Vettel to improve, and at some point likely become the number one himself as Vettel ages -- possibly sooner than later.
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Post by hst4me on Sept 13, 2018 18:42:34 GMT -8
Vettel need pressure to keep sharp?!, The fucker shits the bed when under pressure and most needed.
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Post by loudpedal on Sept 14, 2018 5:59:35 GMT -8
Toto is upset because nobody will sign Esteban.
Of course he skips over the part where he won't give him a drive either. And then there is this.
So he won't promote him and he won't give him his freedom. Screw you, Toto. What do you expect?
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 14, 2018 8:23:18 GMT -8
^ My thoughts exactly.
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Post by Dzufast on Sept 14, 2018 13:06:18 GMT -8
Vettel need pressure to keep sharp?!, The fucker shits the bed when under pressure and most needed. Unless Ferrari can get Alonso in a car Vettel is the best option.
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Post by overboost on Sept 14, 2018 14:02:33 GMT -8
Wolff's idea is that if he can't use Ocon then no-one will. Ocon is locked up in Wolff's little birdcage for his pet drivers.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 14, 2018 14:48:09 GMT -8
Vettel need pressure to keep sharp?!, The fucker shits the bed when under pressure and most needed. Unless Ferrari can get Alonso in a car Vettel is the best option. Despite his mercurial performances I still think Vettel is overall better than Alonso. Vettel has overtaken Lewis twice on track this season. As far as I can remember Alonso has never overtaken Hamilton on track. Problem is Hamilton may be better than both.
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Post by Pistola on Sept 14, 2018 14:49:02 GMT -8
Wolff will remain holier than thou until someone shows up with the proper amount of money for Ocons' contract.
PS: I have to ask because I don't remember. Did Wolff or anybody get worked up when any of Red Bull's juniors got dumped and were looking for rides?
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Post by Dzufast on Sept 14, 2018 18:23:26 GMT -8
As far as I can remember Alonso has never overtaken Hamilton on track. That enough or you want me to find more?
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Post by donka on Sept 14, 2018 23:59:47 GMT -8
^ Don't do that Mr. Quarter turn fastener..... we're supposed to forget how well those engines sounded.
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Post by olderguysrule on Sept 15, 2018 4:02:13 GMT -8
give lulu, or fattel, or freddy the fastest car and they win. big surprise there. then give lulu a car that's not quite right and he's on the radio blaming everybody but the chef in the motorhome for his troubles. give fattel a car that's not quite right and he'll prolly overdrive it at some point at it will cost him and his team dearly. Give freddy a car that's not quite right and he'll drive around the problems and deliver the best possible finish. freddy's rants on the radio the last few years don't really count. they've given him a car that is 2-3 seconds off the pace, and years of that s+++ he complains.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 15, 2018 4:40:23 GMT -8
As far as I can remember Alonso has never overtaken Hamilton on track. That enough or you want me to find more? Sure if you want, but were Alonso and Hamilton on equal tire strategies or in car of similar pace at the time of these overtakes? I think not. Vettel's overtakes on Hamilton this year were on equal tires in equal cars.
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Post by Dzufast on Sept 15, 2018 8:45:21 GMT -8
Sure if you want, but were Alonso and Hamilton on equal tire strategies or in car of similar pace at the time of these overtakes? I think not. Vettel's overtakes on Hamilton this year were on equal tires in equal cars. Yeah, sure, whatever.
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 15, 2018 10:44:43 GMT -8
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Post by loudpedal on Sept 15, 2018 10:53:02 GMT -8
Putin threatened to send a couple of his boys to Novichok their Red Bull asses unless they rehired him.
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