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Post by montybriscoe on Aug 20, 2019 8:40:15 GMT -8
Alonso at Williams would be interesting to see if the six tenths he claims he can bring to a team can happen. If so, Williams would move to the midfield pack and maybe dip their toes into Q3 once or twice.
The Andretti camp is getting full for next season with Colton Herta's option being took up. Andretti could be running five fulltime entries next season if Meyer/Shank Racing and Jack Harvey realign with Andretti as a satellite team like I expect them to. Not sure that would leave room for Alonso at Indy, if indeed Honda is not packing a grudge against him.
Honestly, I don't see Alonso returning to F1. That ship has sailed, imo.
He should seriously consider cherry picking the Daytona 500.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Aug 20, 2019 8:44:32 GMT -8
Alonso at Williams would be interesting to see if the six tenths he claims he can bring to a team can happen. If so, Williams would move to the midfield pack and maybe dip their toes into Q3 once or twice. The Andretti camp is getting full for next season with Colton Herta's option being took up. Andretti could be running five fulltime entries next season if Meyer/Shank Racing and Jack Harvey realign with Andretti as a satellite team like I expect them to. Not sure that would leave room for Alonso at Indy, if indeed Honda is not packing a grudge against him. Honestly, I don't see Alonso returning to F1. That ship has sailed, imo. He should seriously consider cherry picking the Daytona 500. Alonso's said he isn't driving a full IndyCar season in 2020, and I think he might still be tied to McLaren for 2020 even if he just wants to do the 500. Re: F1, fwiw Autobild Motorsport is now reporting that Abiteboul is talking to Alonso, so who knows what's gonna happen next. |
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Post by racerman967 on Aug 20, 2019 8:58:36 GMT -8
Abiteboul needs to hope he has a job and they don't brong FLavio in   |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 20, 2019 9:05:26 GMT -8
I'm not oversimplifying it. I'm stating the facts as they are. There's nothing more to it Right up to the "that says it all" bit. That's not fact. That's the oversimplification. "Pissed off Honda, so it's impossible to work for them (nevermind that Alonso still works for Toyota at least through January)." That's not fact & is also an oversimplification. But hey, carry on. So like I said, surely you don't believe they think more highly of Bottas, Leclerc, and Gasly than they do of Ricciardo right? Because if it's as simple as you're making it out to be, Ricciardo would be in one of those seats. It is not oversimplification. It is what it is. Everything you have is written in response is pure speculation base on zero facts. I have no idea how teams rate the drivers they have with respect to Alonso and neither do you. But we do know for a fact Alonso isn't driving for any of them. It is that simple. |
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Post by jmjgt on Aug 20, 2019 9:57:40 GMT -8
Abiteboul needs to hope he has a job and they don't brong FLavio in Oh god please no more flavio, he'd make a bigger mess than they have now. Personally I think (besides their early season engine problems) Renault got caught out by Pirelli's tire change. For the past couple of seasons their cars have been brutal on the tires, so this year they've designed one to be kinder and now it can't put enough energy into them. Their big upgrade package was probably based on what was supposed to work this year so it's no wonder it mostly flopped. Cyril's been so busy making excuses for the engine department he took his eye off of the chassis side, they've already made changes in the tech dept and Prost has been given more responsibilities. They need to start looking outside their little bubble for some leadership and finally retire Stoll from the top slot and maybe Taffin from the engine dept, Cyril is just a mouthpiece so he can stay for now. |
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Post by Pistola on Aug 20, 2019 9:58:03 GMT -8
LOL ... so now if the company Alonso is involved in sponsors the team (which was in need of sponsors), that's somehow hurting the team? This reminds me of the BS in the Netflix series with Buxton trying to paint Alonso as trying to run the team, getting rid of people he didn't like in favor of people he knew and approved of ... like Seidl, who has a great track record. Buxton acted like he was gonna wreck McLaren, but what has the team's trajectory been since Seidl and others arrived? Not that I'm crediting Alonso for that. I'm not. I don't think he was responsible for those moves. So if it was really "Team Alonso" like you and Will the shill suggest, then why did Alonso leave after getting 'his people' in place to right the ship? The answer? He was already leaving. The "Team Alonso" thing is just more bullshit for the 'Bad Guy Alonso' narrative that drives ratings and clicks. I put Kimoa in for giggles. I wonder what part Kimoa (founded by Alonso) has in all this. Mercedes is tied to Tommy Hilfiger leaving little room for Kimoa or anyone sporting Kimoa gear. Red Bull and Ferrari don't have such clear conflicts (maybe sunglasses) while Renault seems to be pretty clean. Fred might not want to be taking off his Kimoa hat unless some good sized money piles move between banks. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Aug 20, 2019 10:37:30 GMT -8
Right up to the "that says it all" bit. That's not fact. That's the oversimplification. "Pissed off Honda, so it's impossible to work for them (nevermind that Alonso still works for Toyota at least through January)." That's not fact & is also an oversimplification. But hey, carry on. So like I said, surely you don't believe they think more highly of Bottas, Leclerc, and Gasly than they do of Ricciardo right? Because if it's as simple as you're making it out to be, Ricciardo would be in one of those seats. It is not oversimplification. It is what it is. Everything you have is written in response is pure speculation base on zero facts. I have no idea how teams rate the drivers they have with respect to Alonso and neither do you. But we do know for a fact Alonso isn't driving for any of them. It is that simple. Bullshit. And I never claimed to know what they're thinking or who they value. That's the whole point. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 20, 2019 12:20:45 GMT -8
It is not oversimplification. It is what it is. Everything you have is written in response is pure speculation base on zero facts. I have no idea how teams rate the drivers they have with respect to Alonso and neither do you. But we do know for a fact Alonso isn't driving for any of them. It is that simple. Bullshit. And I never claimed to know what they're thinking or who they value. That's the whole point. Dude, reread your posts. You are weaving an entire alternative universe based on your desired perception of Alonso's value in comparison to nearly everyone else. I have no idea how teams rate the drivers they have with respect to Alonso and neither do you. But we do know for a fact Alonso isn't driving for any of them. It is that simple. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Aug 20, 2019 13:12:32 GMT -8
Bullshit. And I never claimed to know what they're thinking or who they value. That's the whole point. Dude, reread your posts. You are weaving an entire alternative universe based on your desired perception of Alonso's value in comparison to nearly everyone else. I have no idea how teams rate the drivers they have with respect to Alonso and neither do you. But we do know for a fact Alonso isn't driving for any of them. It is that simple. I'm not going to be surprised when both of you are wrong.  |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 20, 2019 14:27:42 GMT -8
I'm not going to be surprised when both of you are wrong. I haven't predicted anything, other than if Vettel retires Alonso would be a shoot-in for that seat. Hairy hasn't really predicted anything either. So how can either of us be wrong? |
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Post by Buck on Aug 20, 2019 16:16:42 GMT -8
Michael's return was far from spectacular...
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Post by hairyscotsman on Aug 21, 2019 8:41:19 GMT -8
Bullshit. And I never claimed to know what they're thinking or who they value. That's the whole point. Dude, reread your posts. You are weaving an entire alternative universe based on your desired perception of Alonso's value in comparison to nearly everyone else. I have no idea how teams rate the drivers they have with respect to Alonso and neither do you. But we do know for a fact Alonso isn't driving for any of them. It is that simple. Any alternate universe you see in my posts is something you're reading into them and creating in your own mind. You come right out and say "none of them made an offer to Alonso", and the fact that Alonso isn't driving for them "says it all" ... and I'm the one 'weaving' shit? Of course I have no idea if such an offer was made, but I'm not claiming it was made, either. And just as we both acknowledge there's no way anyone knows what key F1 figures are thinking, there's also no way you know that no offer was made. Let's put it this way ... if it were Lewis or Max or Vettel who was in the same boat as Fernando and Daniel are in, any of them would likely be left twisting in the wind just as Alonso is and just as Ricciardo is. They'd be in the same boat as Alonso and Ricciardo are - highly rated, but not needed by the big 3 teams for now. And yes, I think probably the only way either of them gets a top seat is if one of the other 3 moves, just as I said before... |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Aug 21, 2019 8:48:26 GMT -8
Dude, reread your posts. You are weaving an entire alternative universe based on your desired perception of Alonso's value in comparison to nearly everyone else. I have no idea how teams rate the drivers they have with respect to Alonso and neither do you. But we do know for a fact Alonso isn't driving for any of them. It is that simple. I'm not going to be surprised when both of you are wrong. Wrong about what? |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 21, 2019 9:22:11 GMT -8
Dude, reread your posts. You are weaving an entire alternative universe based on your desired perception of Alonso's value in comparison to nearly everyone else. I have no idea how teams rate the drivers they have with respect to Alonso and neither do you. But we do know for a fact Alonso isn't driving for any of them. It is that simple. Any alternate universe you see in my posts is something you're reading into them and creating in your own mind. You come right out and say "none of them made an offer to Alonso", and the fact that Alonso isn't driving for them "says it all" ... and I'm the one 'weaving' shit? Of course I have no idea if such an offer was made, but I'm not claiming it was made, either. And just as we both acknowledge there's no way anyone knows what key F1 figures are thinking, there's also no way you know that no offer was made. Let's put it this way ... if it were Lewis or Max or Vettel who was in the same boat as Fernando and Daniel are in, any of them would likely be left twisting in the wind just as Alonso is and just as Ricciardo is. They'd be in the same boat as Alonso and Ricciardo are - highly rated, but not needed by the big 3 teams for now. And yes, I think probably the only way either of them gets a top seat is if one of the other 3 moves, just as I said before... You can think whatever you want, the fact remains Alonso is not driving for RedBull, Ferrari, Renault or Mercedes and they all had open seats in the past year. Another fact is Lewis, Max and Vettel are driving for front running teams in F1 this season. The scoreboard is what it is. |
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 21, 2019 9:56:13 GMT -8
Rumors of Hulk heading to Formula E. Well he has proved beyond any doubt that he is not capable of winning in F1. |
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Post by mmi16 on Aug 21, 2019 10:00:26 GMT -8
I dunno. It depends on what might be happening at Ferrari imho. And taking that seat mid-season on that team has little upside. The more I think about it, the thing that makes the most sense in terms of FA coming back to F1 is if he does it in 2021 with the rules change, unless he really gets what he wants for 2020 and can carry it over to 2021. All do really know is that RedBull, Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault all had available seats at the end of last season and none of them made an offer to Alonso, even after FOM asked them all to reconsider. I think FOM even approached Haas. I am aware you are Alonso fan, and there is good reason to be one, fantastic driver, but with every day he spends away from F1 the chances of him returning grow smaller. The only caveat I with throw into this would be Vettel retiring at the end of this season. As unlikely as that is it would open up a chance for Alonso to return, really his only chance with any front running team. Alonso has been a very good bridge arsonist during his career. |
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Post by montybriscoe on Aug 21, 2019 10:37:27 GMT -8
Rumors of Hulk heading to Formula E. Well he has proved beyond any doubt that he is not capable of winning in F1. What is sad is the number of drivers who have scored podiums. Some of names would blow your mind. Tiago Montiero. Gianni Morbidelli. Yes, those two guys scored a podium. Lance Stroll has a podium for God sakes. You would think Hulk would luck into one eventually. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Aug 21, 2019 10:58:46 GMT -8
Any alternate universe you see in my posts is something you're reading into them and creating in your own mind. You come right out and say "none of them made an offer to Alonso", and the fact that Alonso isn't driving for them "says it all" ... and I'm the one 'weaving' shit? Of course I have no idea if such an offer was made, but I'm not claiming it was made, either. And just as we both acknowledge there's no way anyone knows what key F1 figures are thinking, there's also no way you know that no offer was made. Let's put it this way ... if it were Lewis or Max or Vettel who was in the same boat as Fernando and Daniel are in, any of them would likely be left twisting in the wind just as Alonso is and just as Ricciardo is. They'd be in the same boat as Alonso and Ricciardo are - highly rated, but not needed by the big 3 teams for now. And yes, I think probably the only way either of them gets a top seat is if one of the other 3 moves, just as I said before... You can think whatever you want, the fact remains Alonso is not driving for RedBull, Ferrari, Renault or Mercedes and they all had open seats in the past year. Another fact is Lewis, Max and Vettel are driving for front running teams in F1 this season. The scoreboard is what it is. I love how you ignore every shred of logic and anything supportable, ignore basic questions, repeat the same old weak line over and over, make unsupportable claims and present them as fact ... and then accuse me of weaving an alternate universe on top of it all. Good stuff! |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Aug 21, 2019 11:01:06 GMT -8
Well he has proved beyond any doubt that he is not capable of winning in F1. What is sad is the number of drivers who have scored podiums. Some of names would blow your mind. Tiago Montiero. Gianni Morbidelli. Yes, those two guys scored a podium. Lance Stroll has a podium for God sakes. You would think Hulk would luck into one eventually. Pastor says hello, from the top step, no less. And didn't Gasly have a podium last year, or am I misremembering? And Kvyat this year... It's crazy, and I do believe it's mostly bad luck for Hulk. IMHO he's very good. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Aug 21, 2019 11:14:18 GMT -8
You can think whatever you want, the fact remains Alonso is not driving for RedBull, Ferrari, Renault or Mercedes and they all had open seats in the past year. Another fact is Lewis, Max and Vettel are driving for front running teams in F1 this season. The scoreboard is what it is. I love how you ignore every shred of logic and anything supportable, ignore basic questions, repeat the same old weak line over and over, make unsupportable claims and present them as fact ... and then accuse me of weaving an alternate universe on top of it all. Good stuff! None of my claims are unsupported because I am not claiming anything. I am sticking to the actual facts. Open seats available at top teams, Alonso not occupying any of them. That is the reality of the situation. |
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