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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 20, 2019 14:30:57 GMT -8
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Post by Red_Hercules on Feb 20, 2019 16:44:17 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 20, 2019 17:31:26 GMT -8
What is the "prototype" tire?
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 20, 2019 18:23:35 GMT -8
What is the "prototype" tire? The Autosport talking heads seem to think it's an alternative to the middle yellow compound, which will probably be used at every race given that they have to chose from 3 out of the 5 chooses.
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Post by Pistola on Feb 20, 2019 19:09:45 GMT -8
What is the "prototype" tire? The Autosport talking heads seem to think it's an alternative to the middle yellow compound, which will probably be used at every race given that they have to chose from 3 out of the 5 chooses.
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Post by Pistola on Feb 20, 2019 19:23:23 GMT -8
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Post by mikey on Feb 21, 2019 7:44:48 GMT -8
Horner has lied in the past, so IF the vibrations are true then the next step will be Red Bull complaining that they can't get the PU to work the way the want it too and they need someone else to help them out with a bunch of new PU's ASAP. I just hope the FIA keeps a short leash on the mouths of the Red Bull employees so we don't have another bad mouthing the suppliers year!! When you buy something from a supplier and they can't deliver the next supplier is ready to jump right in and help you after they've seen you bad mouth the last supplier everywhere across the World....yeah maybe in your dreams!!! In most cases even money can't buy you the goodwill lost from the media bashing!!
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 21, 2019 9:11:05 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 21, 2019 14:27:08 GMT -8
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Post by Pistola on Feb 22, 2019 9:04:01 GMT -8
I haven't seen any comments yet that support the new wings bringing an increase in passing. In fact most of what has been slipping out seems to support that there is no benefit from the designs. There's the possibility that with the huge hole from the enlarged DRS rear wing long straights will be good for it but that's never been classic passing. In 2009 the overtaking working group had their way with the creation of the same huge front wing for passing which led to it's ban a few years later as being detrimental to racing and passing(see Petrov vs Alonso). The other party in the deal was supposed to be reduced downforce helping out. Well just as in 2009 the designers have mostly got that back in short order.
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Post by boiler on Feb 22, 2019 9:34:08 GMT -8
If the air coming off the BACK of the car is the issue how much can you really gain by changing the front wing? For those that have read Neweys book he specifically talks about making the air as dirty as possible to try and make passing as difficult as possible, I believe Ross briefly discussed that in his book as well.
If that really is the case and I have no reason to doubt Adrian they need to clean up the back of the car or reintroduce ground effects.
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Post by jmjgt on Feb 22, 2019 9:57:42 GMT -8
Most of the things on the front wing that have been banned weren't there to create downforce on the front of the car anyway so their loss effects the car overall. As does the larger rear wing which you'd have to say now disturbs the air just as much as the junk lost off the front of the cars.
I'm pretty sure part of the reasoning is the new rear wing and the largest, more forward starting diffuser (per 2017 regs) will help move the center of pressure away from the back of the car (like back in the ground effects days) but so far that hasn't been the case.
Pat Symonds and Paddy Lowe both worked on the overtaking group and are on record in saying LESS downforce is the key to allowing the cars to run closer together, the FIA has been resistant and have hitched their wagon to DRS.
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Post by loudpedal on Feb 22, 2019 10:51:10 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Feb 22, 2019 12:35:15 GMT -8
If the air coming off the BACK of the car is the issue how much can you really gain by changing the front wing? For those that have read Neweys book he specifically talks about making the air as dirty as possible to try and make passing as difficult as possible, I believe Ross briefly discussed that in his book as well. If that really is the case and I have no reason to doubt Adrian they need to clean up the back of the car or reintroduce ground effects. I have always felt the most of the Wind Tunnel time has been devoted to making the air behind the cars as dirty as possible. Any reductions in drag or increases in downforce were collateral damage.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 22, 2019 13:41:32 GMT -8
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Post by pushtopass on Feb 22, 2019 14:15:01 GMT -8
Ah yes; pre-season testing..... bags o' sand
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Post by boiler on Feb 22, 2019 15:41:54 GMT -8
Outside of Newy and Brawns books it is not something people talk about directly. Everyone always talks about "dirty" air but no one ever talks about how to clean it up with the exception of when they were batting around the idea of reintroducing ground effects a few years ago. Anyone with half a brain knows they need to rely more on mechanical grip and less on aero grip if they want to improve passing yet they never do anything to fix it except yank the aero rules around every few years.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 22, 2019 17:18:32 GMT -8
Ah yes; pre-season testing..... bags o' sand Every former F1 engineer pundit at the test witnessed and commented on Mercedes' handling issues. No was sandbagging required. They will fix it, but right now they are on the back foot.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Feb 22, 2019 18:43:06 GMT -8
Outside of Newy and Brawns books it is not something people talk about directly. Everyone always talks about "dirty" air but no one ever talks about how to clean it up with the exception of when they were batting around the idea of reintroducing ground effects a few years ago. Anyone with half a brain knows they need to rely more on mechanical grip and less on aero grip if they want to improve passing yet they never do anything to fix it except yank the aero rules around every few years. You are completely correct. They are all afraid of ground effect because of Senna and reducing aero dramatically with reliance on mechanical grip will make the cars too slow. Catch 22.
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Post by chernaudi on Feb 22, 2019 18:51:36 GMT -8
What would be wrong with trying to reduce downforce to LMP1-like levels? LMP1s have plenty of areo but not enough that it hugely effects the ability to pass if someone has the faster car.
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