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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 25, 2024 12:02:07 GMT -8
I am pretty sure that his comment about the red flags were regarding the crash. But thanks for sharing; it didn't come across on the F1TV radio. If we're gonna be pedantic about it (not that it actually matters regarding who was at fault or penalized - but that appears to be the path you've chosen), "Red flag" and everything up to "I just completely lost it" was about the aftermath of the crash, not the crash itself.
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Post by olderguysrule on Mar 25, 2024 14:27:40 GMT -8
on the aussie race thread i posted from F1 the team radio highlights. it's on that link
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 25, 2024 15:21:05 GMT -8
Georgie Boy's racecraft is lacking.
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Post by Sabrina81 on Mar 25, 2024 17:57:27 GMT -8
Hi kids,
I just got to watch the race after being in Paris - LOL the Britpress thought Sainz should give up his win to Char. What is even happening?
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Post by overboost on Mar 25, 2024 19:28:11 GMT -8
LOL I just found out George's first words about the crash were "I just completely lost it. Sorry guys". George makes yet another rookie mistake, but yeah, sure. It was Evil Alonso's fault. Reverse the roles there, and there's ZERO chance it even gets investigated. Actually his first words were "Red Flag! Red Flag" as per his onboard radio. Where did you get your quote from? Georgie wanted that red flag to preserve his race position. You binned it George, you don't get P6. You finish at the back.
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Post by r60man on Mar 26, 2024 5:08:43 GMT -8
Actually his first words were "Red Flag! Red Flag" as per his onboard radio. Where did you get your quote from? Georgie wanted that red flag to preserve his race position. You binned it George, you don't get P6. You finish at the back. To be fair his car was sitting in the middle of the track with not a lot of room to go to the side. I have to think he was worried about getting hit while in that position.
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Post by olderguysrule on Mar 26, 2024 7:51:30 GMT -8
Hi kids, I just got to watch the race after being in Paris - LOL the Britpress thought Sainz should give up his win to Char. What is even happening? prolly because McLaren keeps doing that to Oscar. :-) they did again last weekend. :-)
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Mar 26, 2024 11:16:01 GMT -8
MONDAY MORNING DEBRIEF: Why the DRS detection point was pivotal in the incident that saw Russell crash and Alonso penalised link
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 26, 2024 13:10:35 GMT -8
MONDAY MORNING DEBRIEF: Why the DRS detection point was pivotal in the incident that saw Russell crash and Alonso penalised linkMark Hughes is considered by many to be one of the top motorsport journalists out there, and it only took him 4 sentences to say something completely incorrect. He says the same thing a different way later, and then contradicts it all toward the end of the article. IIRC the stewards actually pointed out that Alonso wasn't responsible for George crashing and made it clear that they were penalizing him for erratic, 'potentially dangerous' driving.
Later he says: ... which a lot of people have been saying.
I hadn't thought too much either way when people talked about the downforce theory of why George left the track, until he said it this way. If Alonso took away the df from George's front wing, then why did the car oversteer badly?
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Post by Pistola on Mar 26, 2024 14:27:01 GMT -8
I wonder. From a non aerodynamicist point of view when the front wing gets disturbed air in these cars what happens to the downforce levels in the tunnels and ultimately the diffuser? (Ross Brawn will be along shortly to remind me his regulations said there wouldn't much of a problem following closely)
I'd like to see the throttle trace on Georgie's car because for sure he lifted which is just as likely a cause of the car stepping out at that point.
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Post by mmi16 on Mar 26, 2024 15:03:12 GMT -8
I wonder. From a non aerodynamicist point of view when the front wing gets disturbed air in these cars what happens to the downforce levels in the tunnels and ultimately the diffuser? (Ross Brawn will be along shortly to remind me his regulations said there wouldn't much of a problem following closely) I'd like to see the throttle trace on Georgie's car because for sure he lifted which is just as likely a cause of the car stepping out at that point. Georgie lost the car form his own inadequacy. Pure and Simple. He thought he could drive Alonso's car in his mind but failed in that too. Overtaking a competitor in a contested pass is more mind games than it is car games. George lost his mind and the pass.
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Post by racerman967 on Mar 26, 2024 15:21:30 GMT -8
I wonder. From a non aerodynamicist point of view when the front wing gets disturbed air in these cars what happens to the downforce levels in the tunnels and ultimately the diffuser? (Ross Brawn will be along shortly to remind me his regulations said there wouldn't much of a problem following closely) I'd like to see the throttle trace on Georgie's car because for sure he lifted which is just as likely a cause of the car stepping out at that point. Are we speaking of the other 9 teams and their designs or just Mercedes? Because we know that Mercedes can't design anything
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Post by Pistola on Mar 26, 2024 16:22:18 GMT -8
I wonder. From a non aerodynamicist point of view when the front wing gets disturbed air in these cars what happens to the downforce levels in the tunnels and ultimately the diffuser? (Ross Brawn will be along shortly to remind me his regulations said there wouldn't much of a problem following closely) I'd like to see the throttle trace on Georgie's car because for sure he lifted which is just as likely a cause of the car stepping out at that point. Georgie lost the car form his own inadequacy. Pure and Simple. He thought he could drive Alonso's car in his mind but failed in that too. Overtaking a competitor in a contested pass is more mind games than it is car games. George lost his mind and the pass. No shit, really?
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 26, 2024 18:14:51 GMT -8
MONDAY MORNING DEBRIEF: Why the DRS detection point was pivotal in the incident that saw Russell crash and Alonso penalised linkMark Hughes is considered by many to be one of the top motorsport journalists out there, and it only took him 4 sentences to say something completely incorrect. He says the same thing a different way later, and then contradicts it all toward the end of the article. IIRC the stewards actually pointed out that Alonso wasn't responsible for George crashing and made it clear that they were penalizing him for erratic, 'potentially dangerous' driving.
Later he says: ... which a lot of people have been saying.
I hadn't thought too much either way when people talked about the downforce theory of why George left the track, until he said it this way. If Alonso took away the df from George's front wing, then why did the car oversteer badly?
George was on the brake where he would have normally been applying throttle, the back of the car was unloaded and lost traction.
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Post by overboost on Mar 26, 2024 18:19:29 GMT -8
^ yep. Alonso got right inside George's head.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 26, 2024 19:46:15 GMT -8
I wonder. From a non aerodynamicist point of view when the front wing gets disturbed air in these cars what happens to the downforce levels in the tunnels and ultimately the diffuser? (Ross Brawn will be along shortly to remind me his regulations said there wouldn't much of a problem following closely) I'd like to see the throttle trace on Georgie's car because for sure he lifted which is just as likely a cause of the car stepping out at that point. Well here ya go then. There's been some talk as well on Autosport about whether or not George lifted early, inducing the spin. He does lift slightly differently in Lap 57 than 55 or 56. Less sharply compared to the immediate, sharp lifts in those earlier laps. FWIW. The problem is that the trace for that lap ended at T6 for George, but on the one that's released, his data is stretched out across the whole lap, so looking at it it's impossible to know when he lifted. Unless someone knows a way to match those traces up on the same scale, it would be very difficult to compare.
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Post by Pistola on Mar 26, 2024 21:19:14 GMT -8
Thanks..............I think.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 26, 2024 21:36:01 GMT -8
Thanks..............I think. See the distance markers at the bottom? T6 is right about the 1800m mark as you go to the right. It's the third braking point you can see. Once I learned that it helped me make a lot more sense of the graph.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 27, 2024 8:36:26 GMT -8
Was Fernando Alonso's Penalty Fair? ... Jolyon Palmer’s F1 TV Analysis
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 28, 2024 11:25:09 GMT -8
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