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Post by jmjgt on Mar 24, 2024 13:42:58 GMT -8
Who else thinks Ferrari is getting rid of the wrong guy when Lewis shows up? I still don't understand WHY Lulu's showing up
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Post by kingfisher on Mar 24, 2024 22:20:33 GMT -8
Lewis 'showed up' due to two factors; first the realization that Mercedes appears to him as a diminishing enterprise with no near-term prospects. Secondly, and far more importantly was his self-indicting decision to 'remain' in F1 after losing out to Max in the title-decider in 21'. The fact this fateful and ultimately incorrect decision by him to continue in the sport only illuminates the deficiencies those with even marginal insight have seen for years now; a dominant car bolstered by the misguided support of his sycophantic legions, has ultimately left the 'emperor' with no clothes.
While his race craft used to be legitimately top-tier, it has become painfully obvious that he is well past it. In retrospect, he really should have retired after his demoralizing defeat that year. The very fact that he admitted 'considering retirement' after that 'body-blow', was in itself his indicting condemnation. Only occasional glimpses of past glory resurface, but never so much as to indicate actual realization. Coupled with comparative performances by his teammate, he is left wanting. Now compare those performances with Fernando Alonso's. They're not even close.
A 'mistake of grand proportions' was leveraged by the vacant braintrust at Ferrari and Lewis himself, when they mistakenly agreed to Ferrari's ill-advised offer. I can only imagine the same brain-dead idiot responsible for Ferrari's previous 'pit-stratagies' was consulted for this debacle. Lewis recognized a Ferrari drive was an highly desirable if not essential adornment for his résumé before departing the sport. While embellishing his stature, the same probably can't be said for Ferrari. They (Ferrari) are most likely agonizing over the mistake of cutting Sainz over Leclerc, when in fact they would have been better off keeping the status quo rather than taking on the aging and diminishing Hamilton.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 24, 2024 22:41:52 GMT -8
Stewards are blaming Alonso too! I am calling bullshit on Alonso's penalty. (well, naturally I would wouldn't I?) And wow I am sure glad they made Logan give up his car so Albon could have it and score ZERO POINTS. I am so disgusted. Husband disagrees with me on this one but I am standing firm. I'm still blown away watching the onboard from George's car. In terms of what we see all the time in F1, he just had plenty of time to react to that, but George has shown us before that he doesn't exactly have catlike reflexes. Alonso made a strategic move that caught the following car off guard. Changing a setup into a corner is textbook race craft. In terms of driving at that speed Russell was well behind Alonso. George didn't anticipate the move and was caught out by the increased dirty air. Just because 1 driver didn't predict the movement of another driver doesn't make it erratic. George had more than enough time to avoid a crash, but we've seen mistakes just as silly from George before. His onboard ...
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 24, 2024 22:45:52 GMT -8
Who else thinks Ferrari is getting rid of the wrong guy when Lewis shows up? I still don't understand WHY Lulu's showing up Is he really though?
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Post by 333sps on Mar 25, 2024 1:07:54 GMT -8
Lewis 'showed up' due to two factors; first the realization that Mercedes appears to him as a diminishing enterprise with no near-term prospects. Secondly, and far more importantly was his self-indicting decision to 'remain' in F1 after losing out to Max in the title-decider in 21'. The fact this fateful and ultimately incorrect decision by him to continue in the sport only illuminates the deficiencies those with even marginal insight have seen for years now; a dominant car bolstered by the misguided support of his sycophantic legions, has ultimately left the 'emperor' with no clothes. While his race craft used to be legitimately top-tier, it has become painfully obvious that he is well past it. In retrospect, he really should have retired after his demoralizing defeat that year. The very fact that he admitted 'considering retirement' after that 'body-blow', was in itself his indicting condemnation. Only occasional glimpses of past glory resurface, but never so much as to indicate actual realization. Coupled with comparative performances by his teammate, he is left wanting. Now compare those performances with Fernando Alonso's. They're not even close. A 'mistake of grand proportions' was leveraged by the vacant braintrust at Ferrari and Lewis himself, when they mistakenly agreed to Ferrari's ill-advised offer. I can only imagine the same brain-dead idiot responsible for Ferrari's previous 'pit-stratagies' was consulted for this debacle. Lewis recognized a Ferrari drive was an highly desirable if not essential adornment for his résumé before departing the sport. While embellishing his stature, the same probably can't be said for Ferrari. They (Ferrari) are most likely agonizing over the mistake of cutting Sainz over Leclerc, when in fact they would have been better off keeping the status quo rather than taking on the aging and diminishing Hamilton. This, all this! This move by Ferrari never made any sense to me. By going with Lewis is like the Jets going all in with Aaron Rodgers; an aging superstar wants one more chance at a championship totally unaware that his skills are diminishing. Can Lewis win a race? Sure, maybe one or two, stranger things have happened, but look at all the people that have moved on from him. And what’s in it for Ferrari? This weekend proved they could have two young superstars that don’t appear for now, to be able to race each other without taking each other out.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Mar 25, 2024 2:25:13 GMT -8
I am calling bullshit on Alonso's penalty. (well, naturally I would wouldn't I?) And wow I am sure glad they made Logan give up his car so Albon could have it and score ZERO POINTS. I am so disgusted. Husband disagrees with me on this one but I am standing firm. I'm still blown away watching the onboard from George's car. In terms of what we see all the time in F1, he just had plenty of time to react to that, but George has shown us before that he doesn't exactly have catlike reflexes. Alonso made a strategic move that caught the following car off guard. Changing a setup into a corner is textbook race craft. In terms of driving at that speed Russell was well behind Alonso. George didn't anticipate the move and was caught out by the increased dirty air. Just because 1 driver didn't predict the movement of another driver doesn't make it erratic. George had more than enough time to avoid a crash, but we've seen mistakes just as silly from George before. His onboard ... I have to agree. This was no different than moving to break a draft. Sorry George, this one's on you.
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Post by mikey on Mar 25, 2024 2:51:36 GMT -8
no luck at all. Vasseur isn't Italian. he's French. like jean Todt was. anybody remember how successful Ferrari was when Todt ran the team. We're seeing the beginning of a new era at Ferrari. It may take awhile to catch the bulls. But the era of Ferrari beating themselves is prolly over. I sure hope so!!
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 25, 2024 3:07:58 GMT -8
Lewis 'showed up' due to two factors; first the realization that Mercedes appears to him as a diminishing enterprise with no near-term prospects. Secondly, and far more importantly was his self-indicting decision to 'remain' in F1 after losing out to Max in the title-decider in 21'. The fact this fateful and ultimately incorrect decision by him to continue in the sport only illuminates the deficiencies those with even marginal insight have seen for years now; a dominant car bolstered by the misguided support of his sycophantic legions, has ultimately left the 'emperor' with no clothes. While his race craft used to be legitimately top-tier, it has become painfully obvious that he is well past it. In retrospect, he really should have retired after his demoralizing defeat that year. The very fact that he admitted 'considering retirement' after that 'body-blow', was in itself his indicting condemnation. Only occasional glimpses of past glory resurface, but never so much as to indicate actual realization. Coupled with comparative performances by his teammate, he is left wanting. Now compare those performances with Fernando Alonso's. They're not even close. A 'mistake of grand proportions' was leveraged by the vacant braintrust at Ferrari and Lewis himself, when they mistakenly agreed to Ferrari's ill-advised offer. I can only imagine the same brain-dead idiot responsible for Ferrari's previous 'pit-stratagies' was consulted for this debacle. Lewis recognized a Ferrari drive was an highly desirable if not essential adornment for his résumé before departing the sport. While embellishing his stature, the same probably can't be said for Ferrari. They (Ferrari) are most likely agonizing over the mistake of cutting Sainz over Leclerc, when in fact they would have been better off keeping the status quo rather than taking on the aging and diminishing Hamilton. A diminished Lewis was the highest scoring driver not in a Red Bull last year. Pretty good for being so diminished.
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Post by r60man on Mar 25, 2024 5:00:54 GMT -8
Lewis 'showed up' due to two factors; first the realization that Mercedes appears to him as a diminishing enterprise with no near-term prospects. Secondly, and far more importantly was his self-indicting decision to 'remain' in F1 after losing out to Max in the title-decider in 21'. The fact this fateful and ultimately incorrect decision by him to continue in the sport only illuminates the deficiencies those with even marginal insight have seen for years now; a dominant car bolstered by the misguided support of his sycophantic legions, has ultimately left the 'emperor' with no clothes. While his race craft used to be legitimately top-tier, it has become painfully obvious that he is well past it. In retrospect, he really should have retired after his demoralizing defeat that year. The very fact that he admitted 'considering retirement' after that 'body-blow', was in itself his indicting condemnation. Only occasional glimpses of past glory resurface, but never so much as to indicate actual realization. Coupled with comparative performances by his teammate, he is left wanting. Now compare those performances with Fernando Alonso's. They're not even close. A 'mistake of grand proportions' was leveraged by the vacant braintrust at Ferrari and Lewis himself, when they mistakenly agreed to Ferrari's ill-advised offer. I can only imagine the same brain-dead idiot responsible for Ferrari's previous 'pit-stratagies' was consulted for this debacle. Lewis recognized a Ferrari drive was an highly desirable if not essential adornment for his résumé before departing the sport. While embellishing his stature, the same probably can't be said for Ferrari. They (Ferrari) are most likely agonizing over the mistake of cutting Sainz over Leclerc, when in fact they would have been better off keeping the status quo rather than taking on the aging and diminishing Hamilton. A diminished Lewis was the highest scoring driver not in a Red Bull last year. Pretty good for being so diminished.
A. Last year B. As was predicted by yours truly Mercedes is not giving Lewis all of the good stuff and holding things back. He is going to be absolute crap this season. Face it he was never the type of guy that could make a "bad" car into a contender, no he always needed the best possible car and for years he got them. It simply isn't going to be that way this year. No way no how, he is dead to the team for all intents and purposes.
Now Ferrari sending Sainz packing is a done deal, he showed a lot of guts and determination yesterday. If I were Ferrari I'm pretty sure I would leave that decision open as long as I could.
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 25, 2024 7:21:11 GMT -8
A diminished Lewis was the highest scoring driver not in a Red Bull last year. Pretty good for being so diminished.
A. Last year B. As was predicted by yours truly Mercedes is not giving Lewis all of the good stuff and holding things back. He is going to be absolute crap this season. Face it he was never the type of guy that could make a "bad" car into a contender, no he always needed the best possible car and for years he got them. It simply isn't going to be that way this year. No way no how, he is dead to the team for all intents and purposes.
Now Ferrari sending Sainz packing is a done deal, he showed a lot of guts and determination yesterday. If I were Ferrari I'm pretty sure I would leave that decision open as long as I could.
Curious if you think that Charles is getting the good bits compared to Carlos but still can't beat him?
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Post by Pistola on Mar 25, 2024 7:44:12 GMT -8
An open question for me is what Sainz was looking for in a contract against the rumors of him and Audi in 2026. Choice of drivers, especially among the factory teams, is done at the corporate level and if Sainz already has a valid pre contract deal with Audi for '26 it's probably no secret. With Audi advancing their takeover of Sauber the answer may become clearer sooner rather than later. Sainz has definitely improved his value in any contract talks. It hasn't escaped notice that in Sainz's 3 wins Russell has crashed in all of them.
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Post by Pistola on Mar 25, 2024 7:57:48 GMT -8
I have to agree. This was no different than moving to break a draft. Sorry George, this one's on you. Something that I thought of later is the 5 second penalty Alonso got for weaving on the straight in front of Bottas on the penultimate lap in Canada in'22.
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Post by jmjgt on Mar 25, 2024 9:31:18 GMT -8
An open question for me is what Sainz was looking for in a contract against the rumors of him and Audi in 2026. Choice of drivers, especially among the factory teams, is done at the corporate level and if Sainz already has a valid pre contract deal with Audi for '26 it's probably no secret. With Audi advancing their takeover of Sauber the answer may become clearer sooner rather than later. Sainz has definitely improved his value in any contract talks. It hasn't escaped notice that in Sainz's 3 wins Russell has crashed in all of them. An Audi pre contract is the only thing that makes sense here IMHO, otherwise if your Ferrari you use Carlos to show Chuck how the job is actually done. And I give Russell 75 % blame here, he was setting up Fred for a possible DRS pass (the Aston had been clipping in derate on the straight) by getting a run through 6, Alonso was trying to park him at the apex but threw the block way early which is why he got the penalty. He should have watched the tape of Mags holding up 5 cars in the last race to see how it's done.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 25, 2024 9:34:24 GMT -8
LOL I just found out George's first words about the crash were "I just completely lost it. Sorry guys".
George makes yet another rookie mistake, but yeah, sure. It was Evil Alonso's fault. Reverse the roles there, and there's ZERO chance it even gets investigated.
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Post by olderguysrule on Mar 25, 2024 9:52:41 GMT -8
best of team radio
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 25, 2024 10:34:13 GMT -8
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 25, 2024 10:37:23 GMT -8
LOL I just found out George's first words about the crash were "I just completely lost it. Sorry guys". George makes yet another rookie mistake, but yeah, sure. It was Evil Alonso's fault. Reverse the roles there, and there's ZERO chance it even gets investigated. Actually his first words were "Red Flag! Red Flag" as per his onboard radio. Where did you get your quote from?
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Post by hairyscotsman on Mar 25, 2024 11:19:16 GMT -8
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Post by pushtopass on Mar 25, 2024 11:54:23 GMT -8
I am pretty sure that his comment about the red flags were regarding the crash. But thanks for sharing; it didn't come across on the F1TV radio.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Mar 25, 2024 11:58:25 GMT -8
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