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Post by Zytes on Apr 18, 2022 8:24:53 GMT -8
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Post by hairyscotsman on Apr 18, 2022 8:47:32 GMT -8
It's like the Stages in NASCAR.
A dumb-ass idea that nobody likes, but they still do it.
Actually I think the Teams that go thru alot of limited parts love it because they can take the penalty in the Sprint and still be way up there after Qualifying, ie what Mercedes did last season with Lulu and all the new engines he took with only a 5 grid spot penalty. Yep, and it's bullshit. The sprint is part of the qualifying process, right? A grid-spot penalty should be applied on the grid immediately preceding the GP - after the final grid has been set - not before the sprint race. |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Apr 18, 2022 14:38:30 GMT -8
Actually I think the Teams that go thru alot of limited parts love it because they can take the penalty in the Sprint and still be way up there after Qualifying, ie what Mercedes did last season with Lulu and all the new engines he took with only a 5 grid spot penalty. Yep, and it's bullshit. The sprint is part of the qualifying process, right? A grid-spot penalty should be applied on the grid immediately preceding the GP - after the final grid has been set - not before the sprint race. I'm not so sure the regs for the Sprint Weekend are the same re: grid penalties. I think they'll only be applied before the Sunday race. Also, the top 8 finishers will be awarded points for the Sprints this year. |
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Post by Pistola on Apr 18, 2022 14:43:46 GMT -8
A grid-spot penalty should be applied on the grid immediately preceding the GP - after the final grid has been set - not before the sprint race. After looking at the sprint sessions last year that's exactly how the penalties were applied. On the race day grid. One example was Brazil. After quali Hamilton went to the back when his times were tossed because of an out of spec wing. He came through the field in the sprint to finish 5th but then dropped back to 10th with a five place engine penalty. In Monza Bottas and Gasly finished 1st and 6th in the Sprint but started the race in 19th and 20th with engine penalties. In Britain Perez went to the back after not finishing the sprint and then taking pu elements penalties after qualifying fifth. I can't see where there ever was a grid spot penalty taken before the sprint races. |
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Post by mikey on Apr 18, 2022 15:43:44 GMT -8
A grid-spot penalty should be applied on the grid immediately preceding the GP - after the final grid has been set - not before the sprint race. After looking at the sprint sessions last year that's exactly how the penalties were applied. On the race day grid. One example was Brazil. After quali Hamilton went to the back when his times were tossed because of an out of spec wing. He came through the field in the sprint to finish 5th but then dropped back to 10th with a five place engine penalty. In Monza Bottas and Gasly finished 1st and 6th in the Sprint but started the race in 19th and 20th with engine penalties. In Britain Perez went to the back after not finishing the sprint and then taking pu elements penalties after qualifying fifth. I can't see where there ever was a grid spot penalty taken before the sprint races. I found this one the interwebs: www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/f1s-sprint-race-when-are-they-and-whats-changed-for-2022/ar-AAWkqWO?ocid=uxbndlbing |
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Post by Pistola on Apr 18, 2022 16:11:31 GMT -8
After looking at the sprint sessions last year that's exactly how the penalties were applied. On the race day grid. One example was Brazil. After quali Hamilton went to the back when his times were tossed because of an out of spec wing. He came through the field in the sprint to finish 5th but then dropped back to 10th with a five place engine penalty. In Monza Bottas and Gasly finished 1st and 6th in the Sprint but started the race in 19th and 20th with engine penalties. In Britain Perez went to the back after not finishing the sprint and then taking pu elements penalties after qualifying fifth. I can't see where there ever was a grid spot penalty taken before the sprint races. I found this one the interwebs: www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/f1s-sprint-race-when-are-they-and-whats-changed-for-2022/ar-AAWkqWO?ocid=uxbndlbingFrom that article: |
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 18, 2022 16:47:05 GMT -8
A grid-spot penalty should be applied on the grid immediately preceding the GP - after the final grid has been set - not before the sprint race. After looking at the sprint sessions last year that's exactly how the penalties were applied. On the race day grid. One example was Brazil. After quali Hamilton went to the back when his times were tossed because of an out of spec wing. He came through the field in the sprint to finish 5th but then dropped back to 10th with a five place engine penalty. In Monza Bottas and Gasly finished 1st and 6th in the Sprint but started the race in 19th and 20th with engine penalties. In Britain Perez went to the back after not finishing the sprint and then taking pu elements penalties after qualifying fifth. I can't see where there ever was a grid spot penalty taken before the sprint races. Hamilton starting at the back of the Sprint BECAUSE OF A PENALTY, finishing the Sprint in 5th and starting 10th - should also have been at the BACK of the field in the Feature Race, |
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Post by Dzufast on Apr 18, 2022 16:48:41 GMT -8
Hot Damn! They're going to run Sprints? I might have to watch.  |
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Post by Pistola on Apr 18, 2022 17:04:27 GMT -8
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Post by Pistola on Apr 18, 2022 17:07:10 GMT -8
Hamilton starting at the back of the Sprint BECAUSE OF A PENALTY, finishing the Sprint in 5th and starting 10th - should also have been at the BACK of the field in the Feature Race, It wasn't a grid penalty. Time was disallowed because of a technical infringement. Using your thinking anybody who improves their position in the sprint race should give those positions back. |
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Post by jmjgt on Apr 21, 2022 17:31:06 GMT -8
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Post by mikey on Apr 21, 2022 18:03:56 GMT -8
Hamilton starting at the back of the Sprint BECAUSE OF A PENALTY, finishing the Sprint in 5th and starting 10th - should also have been at the BACK of the field in the Feature Race, It wasn't a grid penalty. Time was disallowed because of a technical infringement. Using your thinking anybody who improves their position in the sprint race should give those positions back. No they get points for it but any penalties incurred before or afterwards should be given in the Official 'race' not the Sprint. Sure use whatever measure you want to figure out who lines up where for the Sprint but since even the FIA doesn't call it a 'race' it shouldn't incur penalties instead of one. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Apr 22, 2022 4:14:13 GMT -8
what do they drink in Imola? :-)
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 22, 2022 4:32:35 GMT -8
HAM P17 after FP1 - in the rain. LEC & SAI P1 & P2.
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Apr 22, 2022 4:36:15 GMT -8
The new Sprint points regs are rather interesting from a Team points view. If Teammates finish 1-2 in the Sprint and the Sunday race, a Team would be awarded the points as if they finished 1,2,3 in the Sunday race. 15 extra WCC points are on offer. I'd love to see Scuderia Ferrari come out of the weekend with total max points. 8+7+25+18+1=59.  |
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Post by olderguysrule on Apr 22, 2022 4:37:11 GMT -8
HAM P17 after FP1 - in the rain. LEC & SAI P1 & P2. the red cars are in a different time zone |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Apr 22, 2022 4:39:42 GMT -8
what do they drink in Imola? :-) Brunello di Montalcino |
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Post by wayfast on Apr 22, 2022 7:31:35 GMT -8
The sky reporters wouldn't have anything to say if they stopped making excuses for Lewis being slow.
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Post by r60man on Apr 22, 2022 7:36:25 GMT -8
HAM P17 after FP1 - in the rain. LEC & SAI P1 & P2. the red cars are in a different time zone Hmm, I thought rain was the great equalizer. Isn't that where truly great drivers like Schumacher, Senna and Pastor Maldonado could take a slow car and make it competitive due to their driving skills. Surely the rain in Italy must be broken. |
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Post by Zytes on Apr 22, 2022 7:48:45 GMT -8
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8
Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8