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Post by mmi16 on Nov 12, 2022 16:16:12 GMT -8
Liberty views HAAS as an american team and the euros like having them in 7th or 8th. IF Haas could get a real sponsor instead of Gene havng to pay out of pocket they could be a decent midfield team as AM,Williams, Alpine Alfa and even AT are just meh. Exactly. They're fine with Haas as their 'American' (despite the fact that Haas doesn't even move the public awareness needle here in the US), because in seven years on the grid, they've averaged P8 in the WCC. In those years, they've finished P10 once, P9 twice, P8 three times, and P5 once. Their best result was the outlier P5 back in 2018. Haas is the 'token American team'. Haas is a joke. Hope Gene is selling a lot of CNC machines.
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Post by mikey on Nov 12, 2022 16:19:19 GMT -8
Liberty views HAAS as an american team and the euros like having them in 7th or 8th. IF Haas could get a real sponsor instead of Gene havng to pay out of pocket they could be a decent midfield team as AM,Williams, Alpine Alfa and even AT are just meh. I'm surprised they haven't reached out to Andretti for that money and as a foot in the door for Andretti to then start it's own B Team in a few years, I know Haas and Andretti have competed against each other in US racing but this is bigger and Andretti can bring alot to the equation
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Post by jmjgt on Dec 4, 2022 15:20:10 GMT -8
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Post by mikey on Dec 4, 2022 16:55:47 GMT -8
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Post by Placid on Dec 5, 2022 14:55:43 GMT -8
As much as Michael is still fighting for his dream entry, still: Herta must win the Indy car title. Herta will lose the 20 points from 2020 when he finished 3rd. Colton will only have 9 points ( 8 points for 7th in 2021 and 1 for 10th in 2022 ). If he finishes 2nd in 2023, Herta must ask an F1 team to provide a practice run from a team for that extra point. Just like Williams provided Logan Sargeant FP1s during the close of the season. 2nd in Indy car will only provide 30 points.
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Post by mikey on Dec 6, 2022 3:08:58 GMT -8
As much as Michael is still fighting for his dream entry, still: Herta must win the Indy car title. Herta will lose the 20 points from 2020 when he finished 3rd. Colton will only have 9 points ( 8 points for 7th in 2021 and 1 for 10th in 2022 ). If he finishes 2nd in 2023, Herta must ask an F1 team to provide a practice run from a team for that extra point. Just like Williams provided Logan Sargeant FP1s during the close of the season. 2nd in Indy car will only provide 30 points. I'm guessing that most of the back marker teams will let a paid driver hop in the car assuming that they really have a chance to be in F1 and aren't just coming up with enough rubles, yen, yuan, dollars etc etc to make daddy proud of his little pride and joy.
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Post by jmjgt on Dec 6, 2022 9:34:02 GMT -8
As much as Michael is still fighting for his dream entry, still: Herta must win the Indy car title. Herta will lose the 20 points from 2020 when he finished 3rd. Colton will only have 9 points ( 8 points for 7th in 2021 and 1 for 10th in 2022 ). If he finishes 2nd in 2023, Herta must ask an F1 team to provide a practice run from a team for that extra point. Just like Williams provided Logan Sargeant FP1s during the close of the season. 2nd in Indy car will only provide 30 points. I'm guessing that most of the back marker teams will let a paid driver hop in the car assuming that they really have a chance to be in F1 and aren't just coming up with enough rubles, yen, yuan, dollars etc etc to make daddy proud of his little pride and joy. The back markers aren't as cash strapped as they once were, even Haas is paying both of their drivers. Currently the only driver buying his way in is Zhou, but that could very well change when the Audi money starts rolling in.
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Post by mikey on Dec 6, 2022 14:52:29 GMT -8
I'm guessing that most of the back marker teams will let a paid driver hop in the car assuming that they really have a chance to be in F1 and aren't just coming up with enough rubles, yen, yuan, dollars etc etc to make daddy proud of his little pride and joy. The back markers aren't as cash strapped as they once were, even Haas is paying both of their drivers. Currently the only driver buying his way in is Zhou, but that could very well change when the Audi money starts rolling in. I guess that's a good thing for the sport but I also assume it means the resistance to new Teams is probably growing as well, more hands in the pot means less for each one
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Post by mmi16 on Dec 6, 2022 15:54:56 GMT -8
The back markers aren't as cash strapped as they once were, even Haas is paying both of their drivers. Currently the only driver buying his way in is Zhou, but that could very well change when the Audi money starts rolling in. I guess that's a good thing for the sport but I also assume it means the resistance to new Teams is probably growing as well, more hands in the pot means less for each one Time for Liberty to get on the record about the ALLOWED 12 manufacturers and 24 car grids. Either 12 manufacturers are REAL or they aren't. If it is REAL then the finances should be being split 12 ways not 10 even today when there are only 10 on the receiving end. Put the amounts for the missing two teams in escrow type accounts. Once there are 12 active teams then the Escrow balance can be distributed among all 12 teams.
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Post by jmjgt on Dec 6, 2022 18:27:30 GMT -8
I guess that's a good thing for the sport but I also assume it means the resistance to new Teams is probably growing as well, more hands in the pot means less for each one Time for Liberty to get on the record about the ALLOWED 12 manufacturers and 24 car grids. Either 12 manufacturers are REAL or they aren't. If it is REAL then the finances should be being split 12 ways not 10 even today when there are only 10 on the receiving end. Put the amounts for the missing two teams in escrow type accounts. Once there are 12 active teams then the Escrow balance can be distributed among all 12 teams. There are spots for 13 teams (26 cars), that's the agreement that was put in place long ago by the FIA, circuit owners (Monaco in particular) and the teams in the mid 90's. The limit was set for some very good reasons as there was simply too many cars for the facilities and safety structure to handle and too great of a speed difference between the top and bottom of the grid.13 teams was the maximum real estate Monaco could provide and still remain withing the garage and pit lane size requirements mandated by the FIA. All that being said what Liberty is doing is more or less racketeering with the existing teams, as you said the profit share should have been split 13 ways from the beginning with the left over from the missing teams put in escrow for emergency relief. Nor should the sports owners be allowed to arbitrarily go back on their own entry stipulations. We all know what kind of Teams they prefer, but that doesn't mean a qualified entrant should be frozen out or spaces left open specifically for a manufacturer. F1 is a business that has to follow rules like any other, Andretti should let Stefano and Ben Sulayem know they are ready to make a complaint to the EU board of regulators if their entry continues to be blocked.
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Post by mmi16 on Dec 6, 2022 20:21:08 GMT -8
Time for Liberty to get on the record about the ALLOWED 12 manufacturers and 24 car grids. Either 12 manufacturers are REAL or they aren't. If it is REAL then the finances should be being split 12 ways not 10 even today when there are only 10 on the receiving end. Put the amounts for the missing two teams in escrow type accounts. Once there are 12 active teams then the Escrow balance can be distributed among all 12 teams. There are spots for 13 teams (26 cars), that's the agreement that was put in place long ago by the FIA, circuit owners (Monaco in particular) and the teams in the mid 90's. The limit was set for some very good reasons as there was simply too many cars for the facilities and safety structure to handle and too great of a speed difference between the top and bottom of the grid.13 teams was the maximum real estate Monaco could provide and still remain withing the garage and pit lane size requirements mandated by the FIA. All that being said what Liberty is doing is more or less racketeering with the existing teams, as you said the profit share should have been split 13 ways from the beginning with the left over from the missing teams put in escrow for emergency relief. Nor should the sports owners be allowed to arbitrarily go back on their own entry stipulations. We all know what kind of Teams they prefer, but that doesn't mean a qualified entrant should be frozen out or spaces left open specifically for a manufacturer. F1 is a business that has to follow rules like any other, Andretti should let Stefano and Ben Sulayem know they are ready to make a complaint to the EU board of regulators if their entry continues to be blocked. Thought the agreement was 12 but I'll go with 13. Payouts should be on the basis of 13, no matter how many are permitted to participate. Current competitors should not have Veto power on new teams.
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Post by Pistola on Dec 7, 2022 9:23:59 GMT -8
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Post by hairyscotsman on Dec 21, 2022 10:48:24 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 11:53:05 GMT -8
Will they have to speak English on the radios?
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Post by mikey on Dec 21, 2022 15:32:53 GMT -8
Will they have to speak English on the radios? If they want more than German speaking fans they will
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 4:58:37 GMT -8
Will they have to speak English on the radios? If they want more than German speaking fans they will I thought there was a rule in F1 that all teams speak English on the team radios??
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Post by jmjgt on Dec 22, 2022 10:35:54 GMT -8
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Post by hairyscotsman on Dec 23, 2022 21:45:29 GMT -8
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Post by kidrybot on Jan 2, 2023 20:57:45 GMT -8
seriously, these people just really hate Michael Andretti
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Post by racerman967 on Jan 3, 2023 7:29:53 GMT -8
They have manufacturers likie Mercedes who do not want more competition
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