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Post by safetycar on Nov 13, 2021 7:54:30 GMT -8
Of course the weekend I have to work all hell breaks loose. Same. And not only do I have to work, I am away doing training so I have to wait and watch everything when I get home. Ugh.
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Post by Pistola on Nov 13, 2021 8:28:20 GMT -8
WTF..........................I guess we're waiting on the results of an Albon simulation.
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Post by jfme on Nov 13, 2021 8:33:54 GMT -8
WTF..........................I guess we're waiting on the results of an Albon simulation. Mercedes is trying to find the strongest person in Brazil that can break carbon fiber with one finger. So they can replicate the "damage"
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Post by racerman967 on Nov 13, 2021 8:48:21 GMT -8
Max fined 50,000 Euros for touching Lewis wing Autosport
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Post by 333sps on Nov 13, 2021 8:55:50 GMT -8
Max fined 50,000 Euros for touching Lewis wing AutosportIf that’s the least of it, I can live with that!
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Post by Pistola on Nov 13, 2021 8:57:30 GMT -8
Fact The driver touched and examined the rear wing of car 33 and car 44 in Parc Fermé.
Offence Breach of Article 2.5.1 of the FIA International Sporting Code.
Decision The driver is fined €50,000
Reason The Stewards heard from the driver of car 33 (Max Verstappen) and team representative.
The stewards also examined a fan video taken from across the track, CCTV video footage taken from pit lane and in car footage from car 14, car 33, car 44 and car 77. In all, these videos gave a clear picture of what occurred in parc fermé following the qualifying session. Verstappen exits the car, then moves to the rear of his car. He then takes his gloves off and puts his right hand at the slot-gap of the rear wing of his car. He then moves to car 44 and repeats the exercise, touching the rear wing in two places, once on either side of the DRS actuation device, but on the bottom rear side of the wing, in the area of the slot gap and never near the actuator or the end fixation points. Clear, high definition video from the rear facing roll-hoop camera on car 44 shows that there is absolutely no movement of any of the wing elements on car 44 when Verstappen touches the back of the wing and the Stewards are satisfied, from watching all the videos, his body position and the video of the wing, that there was insignificant force when Verstappen touched the wing. It is clear to the Stewards that it has become a habit of the drivers to touch cars after qualifying and the races. This was also the explanation of Verstappen, that it was simply habit to touch this area of the car which has been a point of speculation in recent races between both teams. This general tendency has been seen as mostly harmless and so has not been uniformly policed. Nevertheless, it is a breach of the parc fermé regulation and has significant potential to cause harm Considering the fact that no direct harm was caused in this case, in the opinion of the Stewards, and that no earlier precedent of penalties for this exists – on the one hand; but that it is a breach of the regulation and has potential for serious consequences on the other, the Stewards determine to take action in this case and order a fine of €50,000. The Stewards further note that it is intended that all teams and drivers take notice that future breaches may incur different penalties from the Stewards of those events. Competitors are reminded that they have the right to appeal certain decisions of the Stewards, in accordance with Article 15 of the FIA International Sporting Code and Chapter 4 of the FIA Judicial and Disciplinary Rules, within the applicable time limits.
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Post by jfme on Nov 13, 2021 8:58:01 GMT -8
Max fined 50,000 Euros for touching Lewis wing AutosportSeems fair to me
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Post by olderguysrule on Nov 13, 2021 9:06:16 GMT -8
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Post by Pistola on Nov 13, 2021 9:08:30 GMT -8
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Post by kidrybot on Nov 13, 2021 9:18:03 GMT -8
I'd say it was worth the 50k
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Post by racerman967 on Nov 13, 2021 9:18:39 GMT -8
Fairly cut and dry. Will make for an interesting sprint race
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Post by BigDad on Nov 13, 2021 9:23:56 GMT -8
So the only people claiming that Mercedes tried to blame Verstappen work for Red Bull... and, of course, the Hammy-haters on this forum. Sheesh.
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Post by racerman967 on Nov 13, 2021 9:27:46 GMT -8
So the only people claiming that Mercedes tried to blame Verstappen work for Red Bull... and, of course, the Hammy-haters on this forum. Sheesh. If you read the decision Mercedes made the argument as well. But the issue with the wing was when open, and the stewards said Max touching was a minor touch.
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Post by struns on Nov 13, 2021 9:39:30 GMT -8
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Post by racerman967 on Nov 13, 2021 9:45:36 GMT -8
The bigger thing, although slight, is that Lewis must start from the pit lane as opposed to simply the back of the grid. With the length and turn of the pit lane he will be several seconds behind th HAAS cars and likely 20-30 seconds behind the front runners. And then still has a 5 place grid penalty. He could very easily start 12-15th. Bottas has likely been ordered to crash Max, JK
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Nov 13, 2021 9:54:25 GMT -8
Another point of interest is that by rule Mercedes needs to replace Lewis’ faulty wing with the same spec.
Will the new wing past post race inspection?.
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Post by Codfish on Nov 13, 2021 10:29:37 GMT -8
Another point of interest is that by rule Mercedes needs to replace Lewis’ faulty wing with the same spec. Will the new wing past post race inspection?. I had a similar thought, although I believe the replacement wing is a recently used wing that is of the same configuration as the "illegal" wing... So I assume it passed previous inspection(s)...?
Do we dare call this "Wing Gate"...?
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Post by Pistola on Nov 13, 2021 10:47:16 GMT -8
There is also a possibility that the original was returned in time for repairs and reinstallation.
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Post by pushtopass on Nov 13, 2021 10:58:09 GMT -8
Note that Max couldn't ascertain anything from his touching of Hamilton's wing because the issue was only when it was fully open. If you read the document it is asserted and accepted that this was an error and not intentional on Merc's part. Probably better that this happened to Merc at this point rather than in a normal quali DQ that impacts the race. At least in the sprint he has a chance of making up some spots for a better starting position in the race. Should be interesting! Weird how people here are calling Hamilton a cheater, like he built and assembled the wing.
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Post by racerman967 on Nov 13, 2021 10:58:42 GMT -8
There is also a possibility that the original was returned in time for repairs and reinstallation. Well the stewards still had it during practice this morning so they have a replacement that has likely passed inspection.
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