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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 29, 2021 7:46:05 GMT -8
Welp, overwhelmingly they've been letting that slide for the last few years, esp on Lap 1. Alonso complained about it after having been passed multiple times for position and those drivers going unpenalized. So he said publicly that if they weren't going to penalize it, he was going to join in the fray. Same with forcing people off on the exits of turns. He left the track, went outside the bollards, and rejoined in the same position, which is what Masi told them they needed to do to avoid penalty. He actually lost a little bit of ground on Stroll. Many people, myself included, really think he's still trying to force the issue and get something done about it. Anything that makes it harder for everyone is better for the best drivers, and better for the sport imho. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 29, 2021 7:47:22 GMT -8
The old dog teaching the newbies some tricks It's actually the reverse in this case, with the old dog being reluctant about the new tricks. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 29, 2021 7:51:48 GMT -8
Alonso has said many times he probes the track's non-intuitive lines for secret grip. This was one of the things he butted heads with Dennis about "driver equality". Ron wanted Alonso to deliver his secrets on a silver plate so Mclaren could race against him. In this case, he just took the most optimal racing line allowed. Right. The point is that it was allowed and has been being allowed , and Alonso seems to be trying to highlight it. It's also weird how this hasn't really been that much of an issue until Alonso started pushing it. At least three other cars went off behind Alonso there on Lap 1, and I haven't seen or heard a single person complain about it or even mention it. Not so much re: Alonso. Nobody should be doing it, but if it's going to continue to be allowed, then I have no problem with Alonso joining the crowd. I hope they change it back to something stricter, but I have ZERO faith in Masi to have even the most tenuous grasp of what's wrong with what he's allowing, just as with track limits, corner exits, etc. He should always only be referred to by the name "Brick" imho.  |
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Post by snuffmoviestar on Sept 29, 2021 8:28:55 GMT -8
If this happened behind Ham instead of in front of him, we wouldn't be talking about it or watching videos.
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Post by jfme on Sept 29, 2021 8:30:10 GMT -8
This will continue to be allowed until the "wrong" driver screws a "right" driver.
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Post by mikey on Sept 29, 2021 10:46:24 GMT -8
This will continue to be allowed until the "wrong" driver screws a "right" driver. They will probably use the 'return to the track in an unsafe manner' ruling |
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Post by overboost on Sept 29, 2021 15:49:48 GMT -8
Vettel should get his Canada win back. That was robbery.
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Post by jfme on Sept 30, 2021 1:03:53 GMT -8
Lewis once again validates my opinion that he's easily the luckiest athlete I've ever seen. Hit the wall AND spun out within 5 minutes of each other in qualifying, started on the 2nd row, shitty off the line on Sunday, everyone else came out behind him after slow stops, wanted to stay out but his team made him change tires, rain spins out the leader with 3 laps left. For I while I thought the same thing. But then I came to the realization that Lewis just manages to place himself in the right place at the right time more often than anybody else. And that inevitable increases chances for success
Think of someone who wins the lottery a lot. He always buys 90% of all tickets. However, on some instances, he manages to do something extremely stupid and flushes half his tickets down the toilet. So, is he really lucky and a hero if he still wins? Or does he win because he still holds a large portion of tickets?
Like Bernie said, he takes "lucky" over good any time and any day.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Sept 30, 2021 1:50:35 GMT -8
Lewis once again validates my opinion that he's easily the luckiest athlete I've ever seen. Hit the wall AND spun out within 5 minutes of each other in qualifying, started on the 2nd row, shitty off the line on Sunday, everyone else came out behind him after slow stops, wanted to stay out but his team made him change tires, rain spins out the leader with 3 laps left. For I while I thought the same thing. But then I came to the realization that Lewis just manages to place himself in the right place at the right time more often than anybody else. And that inevitable increases chances for success
Think of someone who wins the lottery a lot. He always buys 90% of all tickets. However, on some instances, he manages to do something extremely stupid and flushes half his tickets down the toilet. So, is he really lucky and a hero if he still wins? Or does he win because he still holds a large portion of tickets?
Like Bernie said, he takes "lucky" over good any time and any day.
Yeah but luck implies simply chance. I believe luck happens when preparation and talent stumble upon opportunity. Without the prep and talent, those opportunities are wasted. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Sept 30, 2021 2:49:14 GMT -8
If this happened behind Ham instead of in front of him, we wouldn't be talking about it or watching videos. There's a F1 thread I follow on Facebook. The lulu fan boys were really but hurt over Alonso's 1st / 2nd corner trick. :-) |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 30, 2021 7:07:32 GMT -8
Re: Lewis's luck ... It's not just about being prepared for the big break. You still have to get the big break in order to benefit. To me the difference is that while most of these guys are prepared for the lucky event - the thing that will really help them - they rarely get that big break and their preparation goes for naught. Lewis frequently gets that big break. It's uncanny.
Often times my son & I will be watching the races and say "OK, what does Lewis need to happen? That's probably what's coming". And sure enough ...
Of course, it also helps just a bit to be in a dominant car when that big break occurs, and Lewis has been lucky in that regard. Lewis's McLaren contract ran out after 2012, so during that season he was looking for a ride. Had Schumi not retired when he did, Lewis likely either remains at McLaren or goes elsewhere, and someone else - possibly Nico Rosberg - racks up as many as 8 WDCs in a dominant Merc. Lewis would likely still be a 1x WDC right now had Schumi stayed one more year at Merc.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 30, 2021 9:02:02 GMT -8
Max's last 5 lap in Sochi. I found the radio chatter interesting.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 30, 2021 9:17:26 GMT -8
Max's last 5 lap in Sochi. I found the radio chatter interesting. Good stuff. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Oct 2, 2021 9:31:24 GMT -8
MONDAY MORNING DEBRIEF
Unpicking the six laps that turned the Russian GP upside down – and how Bottas played a key role in Hamilton’s winThe outcome of the Russian Grand Prix came down to how Lando Norris/McLaren and Lewis Hamilton/Mercedes reacted to the rainfall six laps from the end. In hindsight we can see the correct decision was to pit for intermediates, that the 24s pit stop time loss would be more than made up by the difference in tyre grip as the conditions worsened. But it wasn’t immediately obvious in the moment. Both McLaren and Mercedes called their drivers in and initially both ignored the request, convinced they could hang on with their slick tyres, a judgement they made as the initial flurry of rainfall began to subside. The difference in outcome was that Mercedes managed to convince Hamilton on the subsequent lap to come in. Here’s how that unfolded. www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.unpicking-the-six-laps-that-turned-the-russian-gp-upside-down-and-how-bottas.1pDfX3cUW64xBYTRXpOC5x.html
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA