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Post by Pistola on Jul 27, 2021 17:49:44 GMT -8
I think Bottas will go to another series rather than run Haas or some other last place Team, he can see what's happening to Kimi and Vettel and neither is doing much more than saying they are still driving in F1. Sure Vettel is near or just in the points in some races but right now even Stroll is better than him in the same car, YES it's Vettel's first year and YES everyone hopes he does better but.... stroll is better? maybe check their points total. Better yet go to the head to head. And the winner is................  f1bytes.com/2021-h2h-str-v-vet/ |
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Post by mikey on Jul 27, 2021 19:21:53 GMT -8
I think Bottas will go to another series rather than run Haas or some other last place Team, he can see what's happening to Kimi and Vettel and neither is doing much more than saying they are still driving in F1. Sure Vettel is near or just in the points in some races but right now even Stroll is better than him in the same car, YES it's Vettel's first year and YES everyone hopes he does better but.... stroll is better? maybe check their points total. One race does not a champion make, it does show potential but Seb is still making some stupid mistakes that a 4 time WDC should not be making |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 5:12:26 GMT -8
Kimi, Fattel and Botox are still making a shitload of money.
I've said it before but if I was Botox I would just shut-up, do what they tell me to do and collect my paycheck.
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 28, 2021 5:38:05 GMT -8
stroll is better? maybe check their points total. One race does not a champion make, it does show potential but Seb is still making some stupid mistakes that a 4 time WDC should not be making But he was only a 4 time WDC because he had a superior car. He is an average driver. In fact, they are all average drivers, except for those who suck. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 28, 2021 5:38:46 GMT -8
Kimi, Fattel and Botox are still making a shitload of money. I've said it before but if I was Botox I would just shut-up, do what they tell me to do and collect my paycheck. Which baffles me seeing as they are so unimportant in the equation. Why don't they just pay you $100k and spend the millions on engineers? |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 6:10:55 GMT -8
But he was only a 4 time WDC because he had a superior car. He is an average driver. In fact, they are all average drivers, except for those who suck. Overly simplified, but pretty much correct. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 6:14:38 GMT -8
Kimi, Fattel and Botox are still making a shitload of money. I've said it before but if I was Botox I would just shut-up, do what they tell me to do and collect my paycheck. Which baffles me seeing as they are so unimportant in the equation. Why don't they just pay you $100k and spend the millions on engineers? Being a good rolling roadblock takes talent. |
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Post by Red_Hercules on Jul 28, 2021 7:11:54 GMT -8
Kimi, Fattel and Botox are still making a shitload of money. I've said it before but if I was Botox I would just shut-up, do what they tell me to do and collect my paycheck. Which baffles me seeing as they are so unimportant in the equation. Why don't they just pay you $100k and spend the millions on engineers? I tried, I even asked nicely, but they wouldn't do it. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 28, 2021 8:19:49 GMT -8
Which baffles me seeing as they are so unimportant in the equation. Why don't they just pay you $100k and spend the millions on engineers? I tried, I even asked nicely, but they wouldn't do it. You tried as a driver or a engineer? |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 8:52:02 GMT -8
Kimi, Fattel and Botox are still making a shitload of money. I've said it before but if I was Botox I would just shut-up, do what they tell me to do and collect my paycheck. Which baffles me seeing as they are so unimportant in the equation. Why don't they just pay you $100k and spend the millions on engineers? Some F1 teams do pay their top engineers more than their drivers. So what’s your problem? |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 28, 2021 9:21:28 GMT -8
Which baffles me seeing as they are so unimportant in the equation. Why don't they just pay you $100k and spend the millions on engineers? Some F1 teams do pay their top engineers more than their drivers. So what’s your problem? I have no problem. Just asking questions. They can choose to spend on what they think is the most important part of their success. And it seems that in general they do. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 9:39:33 GMT -8
Some F1 teams do pay their top engineers more than their drivers. So what’s your problem? I have no problem. Just asking questions. They can choose to spend on what they think is the most important part of their success. And it seems that in general they do. Yes, the money spent on engineering, producing, setting up and developing the race car is many multiple times the cost of the drivers. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 28, 2021 9:56:38 GMT -8
I have no problem. Just asking questions. They can choose to spend on what they think is the most important part of their success. And it seems that in general they do. Yes, the money spent on engineering, producing, setting up and developing the race car is many multiple times the cost of the drivers. I thought we went over this. Top teams spend perhaps 25% (IIRC) of their budget on drivers. They must be total idiots to spend 25% of their budget on 0.5% of the success factor. |
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Post by jfme on Jul 28, 2021 10:02:15 GMT -8
Which baffles me seeing as they are so unimportant in the equation. Why don't they just pay you $100k and spend the millions on engineers? Drivers bring in all the fans and hence the marketing money (which is a big % of revenue) Not many people can name the three top engineers from all teams. People dont show up for the nerds. They want to see drivers fighting on cars, and cars/teams winning races. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 28, 2021 10:09:11 GMT -8
Which baffles me seeing as they are so unimportant in the equation. Why don't they just pay you $100k and spend the millions on engineers? Drivers bring in all the fans and hence the marketing money (which is a big % of revenue) Not many people can name the three top engineers from all teams. People dont show up for the nerds. They want to see drivers fighting on cars, and cars/teams winning races. So why don't they make their driver choice based on looks and marketability? Heck, put Macron in a race car and people would pay lots. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 10:09:32 GMT -8
Yes, the money spent on engineering, producing, setting up and developing the race car is many multiple times the cost of the drivers. I thought we went over this. Top teams spend perhaps 25% (IIRC) of their budget on drivers. They must be total idiots to spend 25% of their budget on 0.5% of the success factor. 25%? No team was paying that percentage for drivers. Top teams were paying less than 10%. When the driver salary cap is approved the percentage will be even less. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 10:11:06 GMT -8
Drivers bring in all the fans and hence the marketing money (which is a big % of revenue) Not many people can name the three top engineers from all teams. People dont show up for the nerds. They want to see drivers fighting on cars, and cars/teams winning races. So why don't they make their driver choice based on looks and marketability? Heck, put Macron in a race car and people would pay lots. They do. The highest paid drivers are also the most popular from a marketing perspective. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 28, 2021 10:37:37 GMT -8
Budget cap is, what, $175M? Merc is paying what, $50M?
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 10:53:24 GMT -8
Budget cap is, what, $175M? Merc is paying what, $50M? That’s this year, in previous years Mercedes was spending 700,000,000+ per season on their F1 team. Now they’re running under a budget cap and driver salaries do not count toward the budget cap since almost all of them were negotiated before the budget cap was approved. As I said, there is a driver salary cap in the works to address the current disparity. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 28, 2021 10:54:10 GMT -8
So why don't they make their driver choice based on looks and marketability? Heck, put Macron in a race car and people would pay lots. They do. The highest paid drivers are also the most popular from a marketing perspective. I thought Drivers Salaries were not a part of the Budget Cap.  |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8