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Post by pushtopass on Jul 28, 2021 10:56:54 GMT -8
Budget cap is, what, $175M? Merc is paying what, $50M? That’s this year, in previous years Mercedes was spending 700,000,000+ per season on their F1 team. Now they’re running under a budget cap and driver salaries do not count toward the budget cap since almost all of them were negotiated before the budget cap was approved. As I said, there is a driver salary cap in the works to address the current disparity. Which is a long-winded way of saying "yes, this year it is around 25%" |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 12:24:48 GMT -8
That’s this year, in previous years Mercedes was spending 700,000,000+ per season on their F1 team. Now they’re running under a budget cap and driver salaries do not count toward the budget cap since almost all of them were negotiated before the budget cap was approved. As I said, there is a driver salary cap in the works to address the current disparity. Which is a long-winded way of saying "yes, this year it is around 25%" No, it's using unassociated numbers to lie. Last year when driver salaries were part of the team budget the salaries were around 10%. That was a true open market. Now teams budgets are capped and driver salaries are unrelated to the overall budget. A team can't cut back on driver pay and give that money to team engineers or car building so your initial pretext is 100% false. Top teams spend perhaps 25% (IIRC) of their budget on drivers. They must be total idiots to spend 25% of their budget on 0.5% of the success factor. Your statement above is false. Driver salaries are not part of team budgets. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 12:31:00 GMT -8
They do. The highest paid drivers are also the most popular from a marketing perspective. I thought Drivers Salaries were not a part of the Budget Cap.  They aren't, for now. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 28, 2021 13:55:13 GMT -8
Which is a long-winded way of saying "yes, this year it is around 25%" No, it's using unassociated numbers to lie. Last year when driver salaries were part of the team budget the salaries were around 10%. That was a true open market. Now teams budgets are capped and driver salaries are unrelated to the overall budget. A team can't cut back on driver pay and give that money to team engineers or car building so your initial pretext is 100% false. Top teams spend perhaps 25% (IIRC) of their budget on drivers. They must be total idiots to spend 25% of their budget on 0.5% of the success factor. Your statement above is false. Driver salaries are not part of team budgets. I did not claim they were they were part of team budgets. I just looked at totals. So now you say 10%. Okay, 10%. That's a lot for two people who contribute so little to the success of the team (0.5%). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 14:15:04 GMT -8
Math is hard...
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 15:00:48 GMT -8
No, it's using unassociated numbers to lie. Last year when driver salaries were part of the team budget the salaries were around 10%. That was a true open market. Now teams budgets are capped and driver salaries are unrelated to the overall budget. A team can't cut back on driver pay and give that money to team engineers or car building so your initial pretext is 100% false. Your statement above is false. Driver salaries are not part of team budgets. I did not claim they were they were part of team budgets. I just looked at totals. So now you say 10%. Okay, 10%. That's a lot for two people who contribute so little to the success of the team (0.5%). No, you said budgets. The FIA says team budgets no longer include driver salaries. And since the teams can no longer save money on driver salaries and reappropriate it to engineers or car building this makes your statement 100% false. You are using unassociated numbers to lie. Top teams spend perhaps 25% (IIRC) of their budget on drivers. They must be total idiots to spend 25% of their budget on 0.5% of the success factor. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 28, 2021 15:01:18 GMT -8
I know, right? it's a pretty easy calculation to see that $50M of driver salary and a $175M car budget means that about 25% of their total spending is on drivers. Seems straightforward to me. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 15:01:47 GMT -8
It seems to be much harder for some... |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 28, 2021 15:02:55 GMT -8
I did not claim they were they were part of team budgets. I just looked at totals. So now you say 10%. Okay, 10%. That's a lot for two people who contribute so little to the success of the team (0.5%). No, you said budgets. The FIA says team budgets no longer include driver salaries. And since the teams can no longer save money on driver salaries and reappropriate it to engineers or car building this makes your statement 100% false. You are using unassociated numbers to lie. Top teams spend perhaps 25% (IIRC) of their budget on drivers. They must be total idiots to spend 25% of their budget on 0.5% of the success factor. I guess when I say budget I mean "how much they spend". Perhaps their budget is infinite in theory, but they have an amount that the bosses allow them to spend and I would be surprised if they spend less than what they are allowed to. "Budget" does not mean "FIA mandated caps for cars" unless your Webster's is different than mine. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 15:03:26 GMT -8
I know, right? it's a pretty easy calculation to see that $50M of driver salary and a $175M car budget means that about 25% of their total spending is on drivers. Seems straightforward to me. No, you said budgets. The FIA says team budgets no longer include driver salaries. And since the teams can no longer save money on driver salaries and reappropriate it to engineers or car building this makes your statement 100% false. You are using unassociated numbers to lie. Apparently reading comprehension is also hard....for you. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 28, 2021 15:04:10 GMT -8
No, you said budgets. The FIA says team budgets no longer include driver salaries. And since the teams can no longer save money on driver salaries and reappropriate it to engineers or car building this makes your statement 100% false. You are using unassociated numbers to lie. I guess when I say budget I mean "how much they spend". Perhaps their budget is infinite in theory, but they have an amount that the bosses allow them to spend and I would be surprised if they spend less than what they are allowed to. "Budget" does not mean "FIA mandated caps for cars" unless your Webster's is different than mine. No, you said budgets. The FIA says team budgets no longer include driver salaries. And since the teams can no longer save money on driver salaries and reappropriate it to engineers or car building this makes your statement 100% false. You are using unassociated numbers to lie. |
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 28, 2021 15:08:09 GMT -8
The 'Budget Based F1' is well on its way to being a absolute disaster and a home for liars everywhere.
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Post by boiler on Jul 28, 2021 19:25:28 GMT -8
Its interesting how many people forget 2010 and 2012 when Fred was dragging around a dog of a Ferrari damn near beating one of the most successful cars in the last 20+ years.....In 2012 Lewis was beaten by Kimi in the Lotus.....
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 29, 2021 5:14:38 GMT -8
I guess when I say budget I mean "how much they spend". Perhaps their budget is infinite in theory, but they have an amount that the bosses allow them to spend and I would be surprised if they spend less than what they are allowed to. "Budget" does not mean "FIA mandated caps for cars" unless your Webster's is different than mine. No, you said budgets. The FIA says team budgets no longer include driver salaries. And since the teams can no longer save money on driver salaries and reappropriate it to engineers or car building this makes your statement 100% false. You are using unassociated numbers to lie.Okay, so you are claiming that two years ago there were no budgets? You have a weird dictionary. A budget is what you have to spend. No one had unlimited money to spend. What they spent was their budget. A budget is not defined solely by the FIA, but also by the people holding the purse. That defined their budgets. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 29, 2021 5:15:49 GMT -8
Its interesting how many people forget 2010 and 2012 when Fred was dragging around a dog of a Ferrari damn near beating one of the most successful cars in the last 20+ years.....In 2012 Lewis was beaten by Kimi in the Lotus..... I always thought that argument was that to be great you had to beat your teammate. And when Lewis was a rookie, he did. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 29, 2021 5:52:21 GMT -8
No, you said budgets. The FIA says team budgets no longer include driver salaries. And since the teams can no longer save money on driver salaries and reappropriate it to engineers or car building this makes your statement 100% false. You are using unassociated numbers to lie.Okay, so you are claiming that two years ago there were no budgets? You have a weird dictionary. A budget is what you have to spend. No one had unlimited money to spend. What they spent was their budget. A budget is not defined solely by the FIA, but also by the people holding the purse. That defined their budgets. Again you’re using unrelated numbers to lie. When the teams could spend whatever they wanted on engineers, building the car and drivers, the drivers salaries were less 10% of those costs. The FAA has now mandated construction budgets for the cars making them substantially lower than what the teams were spending. And again none of the money the teams could now save on drivers salary can increase that budget. Which makes your entire pretext to this conversation completely false. What is so hard to understand? |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 29, 2021 5:53:49 GMT -8
Its interesting how many people forget 2010 and 2012 when Fred was dragging around a dog of a Ferrari damn near beating one of the most successful cars in the last 20+ years.....In 2012 Lewis was beaten by Kimi in the Lotus..... I haven’t forgotten it at all. It’s a prime example how in Formula 1 no matter how well a driver performs race in and race out if he’s not in the quickest car 99.9% of the time he doesn’t win the WDC. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 29, 2021 7:30:40 GMT -8
Okay, so you are claiming that two years ago there were no budgets? You have a weird dictionary. A budget is what you have to spend. No one had unlimited money to spend. What they spent was their budget. A budget is not defined solely by the FIA, but also by the people holding the purse. That defined their budgets. Again you’re using unrelated numbers to lie. When the teams could spend whatever they wanted on engineers, building the car and drivers, the drivers salaries were less 10% of those costs. The FAA has now mandated construction budgets for the cars making them substantially lower than what the teams were spending. And again none of the money the teams could now save on drivers salary can increase that budget. Which makes your entire pretext to this conversation completely false. What is so hard to understand? Whatever. It's Thursday or race week now so threadjacking is no longer allowed. |
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Post by struns on Jul 29, 2021 7:41:49 GMT -8
^pfffftPeople disagree with math now.... 
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 29, 2021 8:08:25 GMT -8
Okay, so you are claiming that two years ago there were no budgets? You have a weird dictionary. A budget is what you have to spend. No one had unlimited money to spend. What they spent was their budget. A budget is not defined solely by the FIA, but also by the people holding the purse. That defined their budgets. Again you’re using unrelated numbers to lie. When the teams could spend whatever they wanted on engineers, building the car and drivers, the drivers salaries were less 10% of those costs. The FAA has now mandated construction budgets for the cars making them substantially lower than what the teams were spending. And again none of the money the teams could now save on drivers salary can increase that budget. Which makes your entire pretext to this conversation completely false. What is so hard to understand? When did the Federal Aeronautics Administration get involved in F1? |
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