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Post by mmi16 on Jul 18, 2021 19:38:24 GMT -8
Take a look at the line Leclerc was taking at the end of the clip, if Hamilton had taken the same both he and Max would have made the corner. Lulu just misjudged the corner and overcooked it, it would have gone a long way if he had come out and said he screwed up while fighting hard. Now he looks like the "the ends justify the means" prat he was running Nico off the road. LuLu is much to experienced to 'misjudge & overcook' the corner without intent to run Max off the road. If LuLu can't drive the corner successfully with the room Max was giving him, his Super License needs to be revoked. |
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Post by Pistola on Jul 18, 2021 21:29:09 GMT -8
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Post by kingfisher on Jul 19, 2021 0:00:03 GMT -8
to be fair, it was pretty clear that Max was fine by the end of the race. That's a pretty asinine comment to make given the 51g impact he sustained. Even victims in common road accidents are allowed months for symptoms to surface that are not readily apparent in the immediate aftermath. Max Verstappen said: “ Watching the celebrations while still in hospital is disrespectful and unsportsmanlike behavior but we move on” It’s what the Brit press, SKY announcers, Lewis Hamilton and the Mercedes team do! Lewis had his fairytale moment in Britain on Sunday . Despite every imaginable trick and update that Merc brought to Silverstone, his rabid fanbase that always energize him to overcome any obstacle, and Lewis’ self-delusional fantasy to overcome Max & Red Bull, he and Mercedes fell hard on the truth Saturday. Sunday however was fairytale time, and he would do anything in his power to manifest it. Saturday provided the harsh realization that all the king’s horses and all the king’s men could not put Humpty Dumpty together enough to stand on the top step of that wall. Even if he’d pull off that risky move for the lead, there was an even better chance for Max to take it back and made it stick. He knew that and was willing to risk it all. What better place than Silverstone to gamble the whole wad. He’d be guaranteed of a victory in any case; moral or actual. While Lewis may win a few more races this year, he will not enjoy another event where all of those magical elements align themselves to his advantage as they did at Silverstone. Max and Red Bull will see to that, they are in the ascendant and are simply too strong for Lewis & Co. to overcome. More often than not, Lewis will be looking at the backend of this year’s champion. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 3:34:20 GMT -8
I guess Max forgot about when he celebrated his second place last year at Bahrain; spraying fake champagne while Grosjean was in the hospital with severe burns.
FWIW, Button was quoted as saying "Hamilton’s former team-mate Jenson Button says he understands Horner’s anger, however, he feels it was more 50-50." Leclerc noted that while Hamilton could have been closer to the inside, Max was also aggressive on the outside and called it a racing incident. I get it. They touched, Max went off. It was a bad shunt. Hamilton got penalized. But to think it was deliberate or accuse Lewis of attempted murder is pretty out there.
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Post by mmi16 on Jul 19, 2021 4:19:26 GMT -8
Since we have moved past that days where F1 driver deaths happened yearly or more frequently the drivers have become less respectful of each other and the 'hard limits' of the tracks.
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Post by wayfast on Jul 19, 2021 4:23:00 GMT -8
I guess Max forgot about when he celebrated his second place last year at Bahrain; spraying fake champagne while Grosjean was in the hospital with severe burns. FWIW, Button was quoted as saying "Hamilton’s former team-mate Jenson Button says he understands Horner’s anger, however, he feels it was more 50-50." Leclerc noted that while Hamilton could have been closer to the inside, Max was also aggressive on the outside and called it a racing incident. I get it. They touched, Max went off. It was a bad shunt. Hamilton got penalized. But to think it was deliberate or accuse Lewis of attempted murder is pretty out there. I respectfully disagree with you. I believe part of the Bahrain celebration was because Grosjean was in the hospital. He just survived basically an unsurvivable crash and everyone was releived he was ok. Lewis probably isn't fully to blame for the disrepectful celebration. I doubt that anyone told him during the race Max was being transported to the hospital. Drivers don't usually get told that during a race. Much of that blame goes to the team boss Toto. He should have told Lewis on the cool down lap, "Max is in hospital so keep the celebration light." That's what anyone with an ounce of class would have done but we're talking about Wolff so nothing was said. I still don't think Lewis had anything to celebrate. Taking out the competition is as Horner said, a hollow victory. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 4:44:01 GMT -8
As I noted above, Lewis said he was unaware that Max was in the hospital until he arrived at the press pen.
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 19, 2021 5:15:33 GMT -8
I guess Max forgot about when he celebrated his second place last year at Bahrain; spraying fake champagne while Grosjean was in the hospital with severe burns. FWIW, Button was quoted as saying "Hamilton’s former team-mate Jenson Button says he understands Horner’s anger, however, he feels it was more 50-50." Leclerc noted that while Hamilton could have been closer to the inside, Max was also aggressive on the outside and called it a racing incident. I get it. They touched, Max went off. It was a bad shunt. Hamilton got penalized. But to think it was deliberate or accuse Lewis of attempted murder is pretty out there. What was max's involvement with Grosjeans crash? The two situations are not alike at all. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 5:21:20 GMT -8
I guess Max forgot about when he celebrated his second place last year at Bahrain; spraying fake champagne while Grosjean was in the hospital with severe burns. FWIW, Button was quoted as saying "Hamilton’s former team-mate Jenson Button says he understands Horner’s anger, however, he feels it was more 50-50." Leclerc noted that while Hamilton could have been closer to the inside, Max was also aggressive on the outside and called it a racing incident. I get it. They touched, Max went off. It was a bad shunt. Hamilton got penalized. But to think it was deliberate or accuse Lewis of attempted murder is pretty out there. What was max's involvement with Grosjeans crash? The two situations are not alike at all. Max said it was inappropriate to celebrate while he was in the hospital. Didn't mention that only Lewis should be restricted from celebrating. I mean, if it was that serious then why did anyone celebrate? The crash was what it was. The hospitalization was what was called out. It was an ACCIDENT. Sheesh, y'all are sensitive. By your logic everyone could have celebrated the 2014 Japanese GP because none of them ran Jules off the road. |
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Post by thirddegree on Jul 19, 2021 5:30:58 GMT -8
Fuck Lewis Hamilton. Once again, he shows no respect on track, expects everything to be given to him (it always is), and when he can't have a championship awarded to him, he proves he'll just keep crashing his rival, because he'll never truly be penalized. It's absolutely disgusting. And the absurd kowtowing to him by the demonstrably pathetic British "press" (aka Hamilton fanboys) was despicable, but not at all surprising.
Their logic always astounds me.
2012, Maldonado vs Hamilton at Valencia:
It doesn't matter who's on the inside, what matters is Lewis was ahead, so it's not Lewis' fault
2021, Verstappen vs Hamilton at Silverstone:
It doesn't matter who's ahead, what matters is Lewis was on the inside, so it's not Lewis' fault
Such a joke. Just go ahead and hand him the Lewis Hamilton Trophy for another Formula 44 "title."
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 5:37:04 GMT -8
Fuck Lewis Hamilton. Once again, he shows no respect on track, expects everything to be given to him (it always is), and when he can't have a championship awarded to him, he proves he'll just keep crashing his rival, because he'll never truly be penalized. It's absolutely disgusting. And the absurd kowtowing to him by the demonstrably pathetic British "press" (aka Hamilton fanboys) was despicable, but not at all surprising. Their logic always astounds me. 2012, Maldonado vs Hamilton at Valencia: It doesn't matter who's on the inside, what matters is Lewis was ahead, so it's not Lewis' fault 2021, Verstappen vs Hamilton at Silverstone: It doesn't matter who's ahead, what matters is Lewis was on the inside, so it's not Lewis' fault Such a joke. Just go ahead and hand him the Lewis Hamilton Trophy for another Formula 44 "title." Perhaps you are unaware that rules have changed since 2012 |
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Post by thirddegree on Jul 19, 2021 5:38:15 GMT -8
Fuck Lewis Hamilton. Once again, he shows no respect on track, expects everything to be given to him (it always is), and when he can't have a championship awarded to him, he proves he'll just keep crashing his rival, because he'll never truly be penalized. It's absolutely disgusting. And the absurd kowtowing to him by the demonstrably pathetic British "press" (aka Hamilton fanboys) was despicable, but not at all surprising. Their logic always astounds me. 2012, Maldonado vs Hamilton at Valencia: It doesn't matter who's on the inside, what matters is Lewis was ahead, so it's not Lewis' fault 2021, Verstappen vs Hamilton at Silverstone: It doesn't matter who's ahead, what matters is Lewis was on the inside, so it's not Lewis' fault Such a joke. Just go ahead and hand him the Lewis Hamilton Trophy for another Formula 44 "title." Perhaps you are unaware that rules have changed since 2012 Rules? What rules?  The rule book exists for 19 of 20 drivers. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 5:45:19 GMT -8
Hmmm...Hamilton was given a ten second penalty. Per the rules. So which driver is it to whom the rules do not apply?
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Jul 19, 2021 5:54:04 GMT -8
Hmmm...Hamilton was given a ten second penalty. Per the rules. And he could have been penalized much more harshly, like a drive-thru under green. |
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Post by jfme on Jul 19, 2021 5:58:08 GMT -8
In 2012, Groshean made a similar move and took Alonso out, costing him the points needed to win the championship.
Groshean was docked for one race. I guess he was not lucky enough to be born a few hundred miles to the north.
Like Horner said, Hamilton's victory is hollow. Nobody trusts that was a silly rookie mistake from lack of racing skills. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Hopefully Max returns the favor. At 10 seconds a pop, it is a steal.
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Post by jmjgt on Jul 19, 2021 6:00:56 GMT -8
What was max's involvement with Grosjeans crash? The two situations are not alike at all. Max said it was inappropriate to celebrate while he was in the hospital. Didn't mention that only Lewis should be restricted from celebrating. I mean, if it was that serious then why did anyone celebrate? The crash was what it was. The hospitalization was what was called out. It was an ACCIDENT. Sheesh, y'all are sensitive. By your logic everyone could have celebrated the 2014 Japanese GP because none of them ran Jules off the road. I guess you don't remember that Bianchi was killed in that race, because there's no way someone would go THAT far out on a limb to make their point. Max said it was disrespectful and unsportsmanlike to celebrate while he was in the hospital and you'd have to be completely delusional to think he was tweeting about anyone other than the driver who's move he called "dangerous". Your blind love of lulu is just as bad as any blind hate you accuse everyone else on this board of. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jul 19, 2021 6:07:22 GMT -8
.......Your blind love of lulu is just as bad as any blind hate you accuse everyone else on this board of. Nailed it. |
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Post by kidrybot on Jul 19, 2021 7:45:44 GMT -8
That email from Bottas though....  |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 8:01:24 GMT -8
Max said it was inappropriate to celebrate while he was in the hospital. Didn't mention that only Lewis should be restricted from celebrating. I mean, if it was that serious then why did anyone celebrate? The crash was what it was. The hospitalization was what was called out. It was an ACCIDENT. Sheesh, y'all are sensitive. By your logic everyone could have celebrated the 2014 Japanese GP because none of them ran Jules off the road. I guess you don't remember that Bianchi was killed in that race, because there's no way someone would go THAT far out on a limb to make their point. Max said it was disrespectful and unsportsmanlike to celebrate while he was in the hospital and you'd have to be completely delusional to think he was tweeting about anyone other than the driver who's move he called "dangerous". Your blind love of lulu is just as bad as any blind hate you accuse everyone else on this board of. If the problem is that he was in the hospital, then note that Grosjean was in the hospital. His condition was not clear. Long term effects. You all think I love Lulu just because i like to push back on the hate. He is not my favorite driver, but he is clearly many of y'all's least favorite. |
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Post by pushtopass on Jul 19, 2021 8:06:10 GMT -8
So; is it okay to celebrate even if a driver is in the hospital? Should only another person involved in the accident be forbidden from celebrating but everyone else can? Does there need to be an FIA announcement at the checkered flag as to the medical status of the driver in the hospital so everyone actually knows? Or do we assume everyone knows?
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The rule book exists for 19 of 20 drivers.
Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA