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Post by Pistola on Jun 12, 2021 13:34:17 GMT -8
^But, how costly is it to run meaningful simulations compared to 'real' on-track testing? When you crash it's just a reset button.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 15:22:02 GMT -8
^But, how costly is it to run meaningful simulations compared to 'real' on-track testing? When you crash it's just a reset button. They need to add an electric fence charger to the simulator.
That way, when the driver crashes, there are real consequences.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 12, 2021 17:33:15 GMT -8
When you crash it's just a reset button. They need to add an electric fence charger to the simulator.
That way, when the driver crashes, there are real consequences.
Left testicle or right?
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Post by mikey on Jun 12, 2021 19:40:57 GMT -8
^But, how costly is it to run meaningful simulations compared to 'real' on-track testing? Early this season Russell was talking about running thru different setups in the simulator and figuring out which one made the car faster so I'm guessing they are close to reality and HUGELY expensive. I remember when an E racer swapped out his seat for a real racer during an E race, maybe 2 years ago, and got caught because of the huge difference the real racer was making compared to the E racers normal driving skills. I guess that means that a real racer can get better in a simulator but a non racer will never get good enough in the simulator to jump into a race car and come close to a podium.
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Post by Pistola on Jun 13, 2021 8:42:02 GMT -8
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 13, 2021 9:35:10 GMT -8
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Post by overboost on Jun 13, 2021 10:21:11 GMT -8
So does that mean that Gasly will get the win?
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 13, 2021 11:53:35 GMT -8
After almost 30 laps of competition I don't know how the pressures could be low.
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Post by Pistola on Jun 13, 2021 12:10:09 GMT -8
After almost 30 laps of competition I don't know how the pressures could be low. If you start lower than the recommended you'll always be at odds with the recommended pressure for the tire construction.
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Post by jmjgt on Jun 13, 2021 13:20:04 GMT -8
After almost 30 laps of competition I don't know how the pressures could be low. starting lower pressures leads to higher internal temps that get past along to the tread making the tire stickier. But that also leads to higher running pressures that don't allow the the tire's sidewall to deform in lower speed corners (where the cars slides more) causing more wear on the shoulders (due to the camber angles being run). Also don't forget there is still some thermal degradation built into these tires, higher than expected running temps will lessen their projected mileage.
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Post by mikey on Jun 13, 2021 15:28:58 GMT -8
After almost 30 laps of competition I don't know how the pressures could be low. If you start lower than the recommended you'll always be at odds with the recommended pressure for the tire construction. Aren't the tires checked in the pits after they come out of the blankets and while the car is sitting still? I thought we talked about this last year or maybe the year before when Pirelli instituted the tire pressure monitors, before that it was always just a suggestion and the Teams doing whatever they want to do.
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Post by Pistola on Jun 13, 2021 16:39:09 GMT -8
If you start lower than the recommended you'll always be at odds with the recommended pressure for the tire construction. Aren't the tires checked in the pits after they come out of the blankets and while the car is sitting still? I thought we talked about this last year or maybe the year before when Pirelli instituted the tire pressure monitors, before that it was always just a suggestion and the Teams doing whatever they want to do. Read the article , there is no common tpm sensor so the FIA/Pirelli use an algorithm to correct the readings they take in the pits and on the track. This could leave a hole whereby the teams can play with their sensors to give any reading they so desire. Until Pirelli completes and reports their actual analysis of the failures and of the tires of similar mileage which didn't fail it's only speculation by the press. Of course once Pirelli has spoken we probably won't know anything anyway. If there is something going on the first thing you'll hear is a new technical directive.
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 13, 2021 16:45:07 GMT -8
Aren't the tires checked in the pits after they come out of the blankets and while the car is sitting still? I thought we talked about this last year or maybe the year before when Pirelli instituted the tire pressure monitors, before that it was always just a suggestion and the Teams doing whatever they want to do. Read the article , there is no common tpm sensor so the FIA/Pirelli use an algorithm to correct the readings they take in the pits and on the track. This could leave a hole whereby the teams can play with their sensors to give any reading they so desire. Until Pirelli completes and reports their actual analysis of the failures and of the tires of similar mileage which didn't fail it's only speculation by the press. Of course once Pirelli has spoken we probably won't know anything anyway. If there is something going on the first thing you'll hear is a new technical directive. So now we will have $1M tire sensors in F1. Remember, nothing is done in F1 unless it can be done to excess. Is F1 using 'pressure maintaining valves' set to release increased pressure from operation?
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Post by boomer on Jun 13, 2021 20:30:12 GMT -8
Isn't it high time to get rid of this asinine 'degradation by design' tire engineering mandated by the FIA. ?
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Post by boomer on Jun 13, 2021 20:39:10 GMT -8
... and let's sack Pirelli while at it?
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Post by mmi16 on Jun 14, 2021 3:29:54 GMT -8
Isn't it high time to get rid of this asinine 'degradation by design' tire engineering mandated by the FIA. ? If I were Pirelli, I would be embarrassed building the shit for tires that they are building to satisfy the FIA. What they are doing for F1, doesn't enhance their reputation when it comes to selling tires to us mere mortal for our everyday uses.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Jun 14, 2021 12:38:22 GMT -8
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Post by mikey on Jun 14, 2021 13:22:12 GMT -8
^Thank you
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Post by boomer on Jun 14, 2021 14:03:48 GMT -8
^^ Great explanation/clarification here! Including "energy-recovery-under- braking (electronic deceleration)"
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Post by Pistola on Jun 15, 2021 13:29:06 GMT -8
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