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Post by pushtopass on Apr 19, 2021 6:10:33 GMT -8
The Bot gives Russell the finger after being mugged by the young Brit.  It seems that spinning at 200 mph makes you shit your pants.... |
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Post by jmjgt on Apr 19, 2021 8:34:36 GMT -8
Absolutely, esp that last bit. With the extra 100M added, the DRS was too strong. Look at the difference between the laps when both the leading car and the attacking car had DRS and when only the attacking car had it. When both had it, Lewis could hardly even get close. When only Lewis had it, he easily blew right by before the braking zone. Ridiculous. I'd rather see one great battle that ends without a pass than 10 easy DRS drivebys (which is the result more often than not). But there were also a number of instances that even with DRS a car (Perez??) took several tries to make it past. Without that 100m they never would have, even though they were clearly the faster car. The fact that in most cases the car using DRS to pass quickly moved out ahead indicates that it is doing its job. For some tracks perhaps it is not necessary but in these narrow ones there really is no room to pass. The "working for it" comes with being within about 0.5 seconds coming on to the straight. To me I guess I see it as a band aid that is required due to the difficulty of following closely given the aerodynamic regulations. I never liked watching cars get bottled up unnecessarily. I was monitoring the train following kimi the last 15 laps or so and no one could get any closer than .7 sec coming on to the straight, you would think kimi was an easy pass but Ocon couldn't close the gap. What made the DRS look so powerful in the Bottas/Russell crash was a draggy Merc followed by a Williams with relatively little aero drag. Bottas probably never imagined George would be able to challenge for a pass from that far back as they entered the straight. |
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 19, 2021 8:46:42 GMT -8
But there were also a number of instances that even with DRS a car (Perez??) took several tries to make it past. Without that 100m they never would have, even though they were clearly the faster car. The fact that in most cases the car using DRS to pass quickly moved out ahead indicates that it is doing its job. For some tracks perhaps it is not necessary but in these narrow ones there really is no room to pass. The "working for it" comes with being within about 0.5 seconds coming on to the straight. To me I guess I see it as a band aid that is required due to the difficulty of following closely given the aerodynamic regulations. I never liked watching cars get bottled up unnecessarily. It's a bandaid alright ... one that allows F1 to avoid addressing the fundamental overtaking problems caused by such a heavy, wing-centric downforce formula. To effect a pass - the overtaker has to gain two car lengths+ - from being immediately behind to being immediately ahead. Among 'evenly matched' car/driver combinations - there is not two+ car lengths of distance between their operation during the length of the straights on today's tracks. Back in the day - if cars were within 1 second on their lap times they were considered evenly matched - with today's level of competition it is more like 1/10th of a second. |
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Post by thirddegree on Apr 19, 2021 9:00:21 GMT -8
'Twas a better result than I had hoped
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 19, 2021 11:38:00 GMT -8
Suppose the real question is; do any of the teams care as much about the 'limits rules' as the fans on the forums? If you simply imagine any track as having nothing more than the edge of asphalt meeting a grass verge without any curb or painted line, would drivers ever go over that verge? Of course, as long as they could get away with it without sliding completely out of control, which in itself is a self-enforcing or penalizing result. The fact is; grass doesn't engender an advantage and is only realistically used on a straight where sheer momentum may ensure a pass. Until the teams themselves raise a stink about track limits, it won't likely come to anything but simple fodder for fans and forums. Teams all want the 'opposition' judged as being outside the limits; and cry that they weren't when they were. Simple. |
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Post by pushtopass on Apr 19, 2021 12:24:41 GMT -8
Suppose the real question is; do any of the teams care as much about the 'limits rules' as the fans on the forums? If you simply imagine any track as having nothing more than the edge of asphalt meeting a grass verge without any curb or painted line, would drivers ever go over that verge? Of course, as long as they could get away with it without sliding completely out of control, which in itself is a self-enforcing or penalizing result. The fact is; grass doesn't engender an advantage and is only realistically used on a straight where sheer momentum may ensure a pass. Until the teams themselves raise a stink about track limits, it won't likely come to anything but simple fodder for fans and forums. Teams all want the 'opposition' judged as being outside the limits; and cry that they weren't when they were. Simple. This has always been my point; the teams don't want it so it is not going to happen. I don't know why fans get so bent out of shape |
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 19, 2021 14:32:46 GMT -8
Teams all want the 'opposition' judged as being outside the limits; and cry that they weren't when they were. Simple. This has always been my point; the teams don't want it so it is not going to happen. I don't know why fans get so bent out of shape Stewards are not the attraction for the events. Making decisions where there should not be the opportunity for them to make a decision puts them at the center of the event. |
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Post by jmjgt on Apr 19, 2021 15:18:08 GMT -8
This has always been my point; the teams don't want it so it is not going to happen. I don't know why fans get so bent out of shape Stewards are not the attraction for the events. Making decisions where there should not be the opportunity for them to make a decision puts them at the center of the event. Stewards, umpires, referees, judges, all sports have officials to administer the rules, and their decisions absolutely put them at the center of their events. |
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 19, 2021 17:02:02 GMT -8
Stewards are not the attraction for the events. Making decisions where there should not be the opportunity for them to make a decision puts them at the center of the event. Stewards, umpires, referees, judges, all sports have officials to administer the rules, and their decisions absolutely put them at the center of their events. Only the BAD ones are the center of their events. The GOOD ones aren't even noticed. |
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Post by overboost on Apr 19, 2021 17:52:46 GMT -8
Russell admits the collision was his fault and he apologizes to Bottas and the team.
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Post by Pistola on Apr 19, 2021 20:10:14 GMT -8
Poor Georgie. He's been to see the headmaster and had the ruler applied. Toto is not happy about the damage to his car and the effect on his budget for the year. Toto suddenly finds his wallet is not performing as well as it once did.
No one seems to notice Williams had 2 cars trashed and their budget will be dinged.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Apr 20, 2021 1:24:39 GMT -8
How do you 'dive bomb' another driver on the outside?
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 20, 2021 3:51:45 GMT -8
How do you 'dive bomb' another driver on the outside? Bottas jink was the bomb. There is no dive at WFO. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Apr 20, 2021 5:28:56 GMT -8
If you fast forward to 9:37 in to the view from Kimi it seems pretty clear Bottas drifts to the right.
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Post by thirddegree on Apr 20, 2021 6:01:40 GMT -8
One thing I'll say that's good so far (not for an Alonso fan, but for the good of the sport) is that the midfield battle is tighter than I can recall. I've watched this sport for about 25 years and aside from, well, about 25 years ago when Ligier could run with McLaren on occasion, the midfield hasn't been this unpredictable on a week-to-week basis.
EDIT: Maybe 2009 is comparable?
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 20, 2021 20:31:31 GMT -8
With Toto 'reprimanding' Russell - is he actually implementing 'team orders' over a user of MB power units?
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Post by hairyscotsman on Apr 20, 2021 21:28:51 GMT -8
With Toto 'reprimanding' Russell - is he actually implementing 'team orders' over a user of MB power units? ... or over a future driver? Yeah, his comment was inappropriate at best. |
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Post by hst4me on Apr 20, 2021 23:30:58 GMT -8
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Post by r60man on Apr 21, 2021 5:05:49 GMT -8
To me it is clear that Bottas came over to the right, either to block or to purposely cause a crash. You have to admit that the timing of their coming together was extremely fortuitous to Hamilton because he had spun on the previous lap. Now he gets a yellow, then a red flag, so all that time lost comes back, and he is able to drive his way up to 2nd. Had this never happened the best he probably could have done is 6th or 7th.
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but dang that was convenient.
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Post by thirddegree on Apr 21, 2021 9:15:57 GMT -8
With Toto 'reprimanding' Russell - is he actually implementing 'team orders' over a user of MB power units? ... or over a future driver? Yeah, his comment was inappropriate at best. It's worth noting that Toto is an asshole (like most team bosses). |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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