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Post by boiler on Apr 18, 2021 10:35:01 GMT -8
If the championship is close with a handful of races left I bet Bottas goes on vacation and Russel steps in.
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Post by turn8 on Apr 18, 2021 10:46:16 GMT -8
That's quite a mix at the front. Bodes well for the rest of the season.
On the other hand, Haase is hopeless. I kind of understand the bad car, with a new spec due next season. But two rookies? Really?
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Post by wayfast on Apr 18, 2021 10:57:43 GMT -8
f1i.com/news/402700-wolff-russell-still-has-lots-to-learn-after-imola-crash.htmlI read this and am dumbfounded by Toto's comments. He admits that Bottas should have never been in that position so far back in the field. But...he goes on to say that George should not be attempting that maneuver on Bottas because the track was drying and the other car was a Merc. Who cares who's in the other car. If Bottas can't get enough speed out of the Merc and George is faster he has every right to pass or attempt to pass if he's faster. Toto must enjoy follow the leader races when his team is involved. Also, I've never been a fan of DRS and today's race was a good example why. Lewis was the faster car but with DRS it was like he didn't have to work to pass the Ferrari's and Norris. Its not a thing with Merc or Lewis, DRS just makes passing too easy. We all want to see some passing but I'd rather see a driver work for it instead of DRS letting someone blow by on a straight.
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 18, 2021 11:35:01 GMT -8
f1i.com/news/402700-wolff-russell-still-has-lots-to-learn-after-imola-crash.htmlI read this and am dumbfounded by Toto's comments. He admits that Bottas should have never been in that position so far back in the field. But...he goes on to say that George should not be attempting that maneuver on Bottas because the track was drying and the other car was a Merc. Who cares who's in the other car. If Bottas can't get enough speed out of the Merc and George is faster he has every right to pass or attempt to pass if he's faster. Toto must enjoy follow the leader races when his team is involved. Also, I've never been a fan of DRS and today's race was a good example why. Lewis was the faster car but with DRS it was like he didn't have to work to pass the Ferrari's and Norris. Its not a thing with Merc or Lewis, DRS just makes passing too easy. We all want to see some passing but I'd rather see a driver work for it instead of DRS letting someone blow by on a straight. DRS for the most part allows the following driver to get in a position to pass - he still, in most cases, needs the testicular fortitude and skill to pull it off. |
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Post by overboost on Apr 18, 2021 12:07:15 GMT -8
The Bot gives Russell the finger after being mugged by the young Brit.  |
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Post by r60man on Apr 18, 2021 13:18:10 GMT -8
f1i.com/news/402700-wolff-russell-still-has-lots-to-learn-after-imola-crash.htmlI read this and am dumbfounded by Toto's comments. He admits that Bottas should have never been in that position so far back in the field. But...he goes on to say that George should not be attempting that maneuver on Bottas because the track was drying and the other car was a Merc. Who cares who's in the other car. If Bottas can't get enough speed out of the Merc and George is faster he has every right to pass or attempt to pass if he's faster. Toto must enjoy follow the leader races when his team is involved. However you would think Toto would be smart enough to understand that if Russel had not attempted that pass his golden child would have most likely not have finished in the points, certainly not second. Seems like Hamilton's luck was too good on that one. Does the Merc have a "push to crash" button? |
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Post by jmjgt on Apr 18, 2021 14:21:36 GMT -8
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Post by pushtopass on Apr 18, 2021 14:28:53 GMT -8
Checking in late to the party as I didn't see the race until this afternoon. I just read that AFTER THE RACE the stewards finally noticed that Stroll passed Gasly with the help of an off-track excursion. I noticed that in real time and was surprised he didn't give the spot back.
Happy for Lando and good to see Max tear it up. And Ferrari's actually look competitive!
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 18, 2021 15:06:36 GMT -8
The Bot gives Russell the finger after being mugged by the young Brit. The Fin did the mugging. |
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Apr 18, 2021 15:32:37 GMT -8
Yeah you can't feint a guy into the wet and then blame him.
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Post by jmjgt on Apr 18, 2021 16:19:59 GMT -8
To be fair Bobot was defending his position AND his career.  |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Apr 18, 2021 16:30:03 GMT -8
To be fair Bobot was defending his position AND his career. Interesting how neither of those worked out for him. |
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Post by wayfast on Apr 18, 2021 17:07:58 GMT -8
That was quite a race! Anyway, I had fun. And I am very happy for Lando. That was a great job. No points for Fernando, maybe next time... Looks like Fred got a point. He inherited 10th place when Kimi was penalized. |
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Post by kingfisher on Apr 18, 2021 21:59:56 GMT -8
The attempted pass by Russell and the calamitous result, I'm thinking was just an unfortunate circumstance. The way I saw it was given the more narrow confines of the track there, the slight left bend to it where Russell initiated the attempt and the following left hander none of them made it to, gave enough indication that it wasn't either driver's fault and here's why;
Russell knew going into that bend that he had the necessary speed advantage to pull it off, yet none of us know that Bottas knew he was going to attempt that. Bottas leading Russell would naturally be moving to the right there to set up for the next left-hander, yet upon seeing the Williams right next to him gave him just enough room. The unfortunate thing was that Russell did not know that Bottas didn't see him until he was alongside and was at that instant taking avoiding action in the likelihood that Bottas kept coming over. I think it was in that instant when Russell jinked to his right (even though there was just enough room for them both on the track) which put his right rear onto the wet grass verge and caused the loss of control. We're talking milliseconds of brain processing here. I just don't see anything in Bottas' history suggesting such an egregious and dangerous maneuver.
Regarding Lewis' luck, I've stated several times that it has long gone way beyond any sense of rational expectation or reason, to have become a perverse manifestation that can only be accepted as some sort of paranormal phenomenon. Nobody, but nobody has that kind of fortune! The guy should have been demoted a lap and down the order where he could still exhibit his talent after spending a deserved amount of time getting back to his pit and the resultant amount of time fitting a new wing and tires to mount a climb back up to maybe 6th or 7th place.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Apr 19, 2021 4:39:15 GMT -8
I think we need to rename sir lulu. calling him sir lucky lulu It's truly uncanny, isn't it? That red flag (and a very powerful DRS) was the difference between finishing P2 and finishing what, P7? |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Apr 19, 2021 4:44:46 GMT -8
f1i.com/news/402700-wolff-russell-still-has-lots-to-learn-after-imola-crash.htmlI read this and am dumbfounded by Toto's comments. He admits that Bottas should have never been in that position so far back in the field. But...he goes on to say that George should not be attempting that maneuver on Bottas because the track was drying and the other car was a Merc. Who cares who's in the other car. If Bottas can't get enough speed out of the Merc and George is faster he has every right to pass or attempt to pass if he's faster. Toto must enjoy follow the leader races when his team is involved. Also, I've never been a fan of DRS and today's race was a good example why. Lewis was the faster car but with DRS it was like he didn't have to work to pass the Ferrari's and Norris. Its not a thing with Merc or Lewis, DRS just makes passing too easy. We all want to see some passing but I'd rather see a driver work for it instead of DRS letting someone blow by on a straight. Absolutely, esp that last bit. With the extra 100M added, the DRS was too strong. Look at the difference between the laps when both the leading car and the attacking car had DRS and when only the attacking car had it. When both had it, Lewis could hardly even get close. When only Lewis had it, he easily blew right by before the braking zone. Ridiculous. I'd rather see one great battle that ends without a pass than 10 easy DRS drivebys (which is the result more often than not). |
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Post by pushtopass on Apr 19, 2021 5:29:58 GMT -8
f1i.com/news/402700-wolff-russell-still-has-lots-to-learn-after-imola-crash.htmlI read this and am dumbfounded by Toto's comments. He admits that Bottas should have never been in that position so far back in the field. But...he goes on to say that George should not be attempting that maneuver on Bottas because the track was drying and the other car was a Merc. Who cares who's in the other car. If Bottas can't get enough speed out of the Merc and George is faster he has every right to pass or attempt to pass if he's faster. Toto must enjoy follow the leader races when his team is involved. Also, I've never been a fan of DRS and today's race was a good example why. Lewis was the faster car but with DRS it was like he didn't have to work to pass the Ferrari's and Norris. Its not a thing with Merc or Lewis, DRS just makes passing too easy. We all want to see some passing but I'd rather see a driver work for it instead of DRS letting someone blow by on a straight. Absolutely, esp that last bit. With the extra 100M added, the DRS was too strong. Look at the difference between the laps when both the leading car and the attacking car had DRS and when only the attacking car had it. When both had it, Lewis could hardly even get close. When only Lewis had it, he easily blew right by before the braking zone. Ridiculous. I'd rather see one great battle that ends without a pass than 10 easy DRS drivebys (which is the result more often than not). But there were also a number of instances that even with DRS a car (Perez??) took several tries to make it past. Without that 100m they never would have, even though they were clearly the faster car. The fact that in most cases the car using DRS to pass quickly moved out ahead indicates that it is doing its job. For some tracks perhaps it is not necessary but in these narrow ones there really is no room to pass. The "working for it" comes with being within about 0.5 seconds coming on to the straight. To me I guess I see it as a band aid that is required due to the difficulty of following closely given the aerodynamic regulations. I never liked watching cars get bottled up unnecessarily. |
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Post by mmi16 on Apr 19, 2021 5:36:59 GMT -8
Absolutely, esp that last bit. With the extra 100M added, the DRS was too strong. Look at the difference between the laps when both the leading car and the attacking car had DRS and when only the attacking car had it. When both had it, Lewis could hardly even get close. When only Lewis had it, he easily blew right by before the braking zone. Ridiculous. I'd rather see one great battle that ends without a pass than 10 easy DRS drivebys (which is the result more often than not). But there were also a number of instances that even with DRS a car (Perez??) took several tries to make it past. Without that 100m they never would have, even though they were clearly the faster car. The fact that in most cases the car using DRS to pass quickly moved out ahead indicates that it is doing its job. For some tracks perhaps it is not necessary but in these narrow ones there really is no room to pass. The "working for it" comes with being within about 0.5 seconds coming on to the straight. To me I guess I see it as a band aid that is required due to the difficulty of following closely given the aerodynamic regulations. I never liked watching cars get bottled up unnecessarily. DRS looked more effective at Imola than Push to Pass did at Barber for the Indy Cars. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Apr 19, 2021 5:49:44 GMT -8
Absolutely, esp that last bit. With the extra 100M added, the DRS was too strong. Look at the difference between the laps when both the leading car and the attacking car had DRS and when only the attacking car had it. When both had it, Lewis could hardly even get close. When only Lewis had it, he easily blew right by before the braking zone. Ridiculous. I'd rather see one great battle that ends without a pass than 10 easy DRS drivebys (which is the result more often than not). But there were also a number of instances that even with DRS a car (Perez??) took several tries to make it past. Without that 100m they never would have, even though they were clearly the faster car. The fact that in most cases the car using DRS to pass quickly moved out ahead indicates that it is doing its job. For some tracks perhaps it is not necessary but in these narrow ones there really is no room to pass. The "working for it" comes with being within about 0.5 seconds coming on to the straight. To me I guess I see it as a band aid that is required due to the difficulty of following closely given the aerodynamic regulations. I never liked watching cars get bottled up unnecessarily. It's a bandaid alright ... one that allows F1 to avoid addressing the fundamental overtaking problems caused by such a heavy, wing-centric downforce formula. |
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Post by mikey on Apr 19, 2021 5:54:02 GMT -8
Also, I've never been a fan of DRS and today's race was a good example why. Lewis was the faster car but with DRS it was like he didn't have to work to pass the Ferrari's and Norris. Its not a thing with Merc or Lewis, DRS just makes passing too easy. We all want to see some passing but I'd rather see a driver work for it instead of DRS letting someone blow by on a straight. The problem is alot of the current tracks aren't wide enough to allow a faster car to pass before the next turn comes up without DRS, yes it sucks if you are the leading car as you have zero chance of stopping it but without it at the current tracks we would see alot more follow the leader races. The problem for Norris is he had zero chance of getting DRS from Max as he had checked out and LeClerc failed to stay close enough to Norris to keep Lulu at bay. |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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