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Post by Sabrina81 on Oct 11, 2020 15:40:00 GMT -8
Or just watch Motogp at Lemans in the wet because it was off the chain.
Previous on our favorite socially distanced soap opera disguised as a race series - Lewis tied Schumi's record while Mick who didn't get to drive in FP1 gave him a helmet signaling the end of an era or something. Lando sat in a lawn chair as per McLaren policy, but it gave us a DR podium sans Shooey - not because you can catch COVID from feet, but because it had been so long he had forgotten what fun was.
Hulk scored points.
Discuss!
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Post by mikey on Oct 11, 2020 16:59:04 GMT -8
If not for the Merc having a problem Bottas would have been on the podium too, then the mid pack folks had ALOT of problems too, that was strange.
I wonder it Rogro getting a sore finger will mean calls for a windscreen in front of the drivers, we don't need another Massa!! And I wonder if Albon losing a radiator will mean screens, or deflectors or something else high tech, for them too on tracks with graveltraps? I wonder if drivers will become adept at spinning gravel into those cars that don't to stop them from being so close?
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 11, 2020 19:08:51 GMT -8
If not for the Merc having a problem Bottas would have been on the podium too, then the mid pack folks had ALOT of problems too, that was strange. I wonder it Rogro getting a sore finger will mean calls for a windscreen in front of the drivers, we don't need another Massa!! And I wonder if Albon losing a radiator will mean screens, or deflectors or something else high tech, for them too on tracks with graveltraps? I wonder if drivers will become adept at spinning gravel into those cars that don't to stop them from being so close?Chicken wire screens |
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Post by olderguysrule on Oct 12, 2020 2:40:33 GMT -8
what do they drink in portugal? :-)
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Post by mikey on Oct 12, 2020 2:43:24 GMT -8
^LOL!!! The Teams in the past have said they don't protect the radiators because everything blocks airflow and it's critical to keep it full blast but if you have to drop out of the race because of a busted radiator what's the point?
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Post by Pistola on Oct 14, 2020 11:35:03 GMT -8
Despite having 2 hands to put on it Vettel will continue to lose his rear end.
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Post by Red_Hercules on Oct 15, 2020 9:03:51 GMT -8
what do they drink in portugal? :-) Did you get anything yet? A shitty pandemic. A shitty F1 season. And Election season. If that wasn't enough of a reason to become an alcoholic, what is? BTW, I am ending my F1TV subscription after the season. F1 sucks. |
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Post by pushtopass on Oct 15, 2020 10:53:07 GMT -8
I don't know what they drink there, but I assume this is what they listen to:
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Post by mikey on Oct 15, 2020 12:24:19 GMT -8
what do they drink in portugal? :-) Wine, when I was in the Navy in the early '70's they were selling wine wrapped in wicker baskets for $2 a bottle at the bar, now you can get the same stuff at the local grocery store for $15 a bottle. 8 or 10 of us would go into a bar and 6 hours later leave for another one because they ran out of the stuff....it was GOOD. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Oct 16, 2020 3:14:34 GMT -8
what do they drink in portugal? :-) Did you get anything yet? A shitty pandemic. A shitty F1 season. And Election season. If that wasn't enough of a reason to become an alcoholic, what is? BTW, I am ending my F1TV subscription after the season. F1 sucks. F1 does suck. And it has for years. Back in the late 80ies when the honda turbo in the MaLaren won everything they limited it, then banned it within a couple years to balance things out. Fast forward to the early 90ies. The williams cars the FW14 & the FW15 were miles ahead of everybody. Maybe the most technological advanced cars ever. Yes today's cars are faster with 25 years of earo and so on but not more advanced. the first if I remember transmission shifting with the paddle, traction control, active suspension, anti lock brakes, power steering, fly by wire. and more. they even had a fully automatic tranny but they only used it in practice. after 1993 F1 banned most of it. Fast forward to 2007. After a couple of years with the V8's F1 balanced the engines so the Merc engines wouldn't dominate. Now what do we have. The mercs have been at least a 1/2 second faster from the get go. and they've done nothing to balance things out. A total shit storm. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 16, 2020 4:46:28 GMT -8
Did you get anything yet? A shitty pandemic. A shitty F1 season. And Election season. If that wasn't enough of a reason to become an alcoholic, what is? BTW, I am ending my F1TV subscription after the season. F1 sucks. F1 does suck. And it has for years. Back in the late 80ies when the honda turbo in the MaLaren won everything they limited it, then banned it within a couple years to balance things out. Fast forward to the early 90ies. The williams cars the FW14 & the FW15 were miles ahead of everybody. Maybe the most technological advanced cars ever. Yes today's cars are faster with 25 years of earo and so on but not more advanced. the first if I remember transmission shifting with the paddle, traction control, active suspension, anti lock brakes, power steering, fly by wire. and more. they even had a fully automatic tranny but they only used it in practice. after 1993 F1 banned most of it. Fast forward to 2007. After a couple of years with the V8's F1 balanced the engines so the Merc engines wouldn't dominate. Now what do we have. The mercs have been at least a 1/2 second faster from the get go. and they've done nothing to balance things out. A total shit storm. The history of F1 has been all about one team that pioneered and mastered one or more aspects of the performance package and rode that feature(s) to domination until either the field devised their own versions of that feature(s) or the feature(s) were outlawed by the organizer. Inventive engineers and designers will always READ the regulations and find a new area of performance to attack. |
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Post by olderguysrule on Oct 16, 2020 8:52:01 GMT -8
F1 does suck. And it has for years. Back in the late 80ies when the honda turbo in the MaLaren won everything they limited it, then banned it within a couple years to balance things out. Fast forward to the early 90ies. The williams cars the FW14 & the FW15 were miles ahead of everybody. Maybe the most technological advanced cars ever. Yes today's cars are faster with 25 years of earo and so on but not more advanced. the first if I remember transmission shifting with the paddle, traction control, active suspension, anti lock brakes, power steering, fly by wire. and more. they even had a fully automatic tranny but they only used it in practice. after 1993 F1 banned most of it. Fast forward to 2007. After a couple of years with the V8's F1 balanced the engines so the Merc engines wouldn't dominate. Now what do we have. The mercs have been at least a 1/2 second faster from the get go. and they've done nothing to balance things out. A total shit storm. The history of F1 has been all about one team that pioneered and mastered one or more aspects of the performance package and rode that feature(s) to domination until either the field devised their own versions of that feature(s) or the feature(s) were outlawed by the organizer. Inventive engineers and designers will always READ the regulations and find a new area of performance to attack. my examples are when the technology was outlawed or controlled by F1 to balance the equation. Obviously there's more examples. The exhaust blown diffuser era for example. The FIA tried to limit it to control the ded cows advantage for four years on the trott. Or the double diffuser. They killed that after one year. But they've done little or nothing to try to control the mercs advantage. This era will go down in history as the FIA's biggest failure in their long list of failures. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 16, 2020 9:09:39 GMT -8
The history of F1 has been all about one team that pioneered and mastered one or more aspects of the performance package and rode that feature(s) to domination until either the field devised their own versions of that feature(s) or the feature(s) were outlawed by the organizer. Inventive engineers and designers will always READ the regulations and find a new area of performance to attack. my examples are when the technology was outlawed or controlled by F1 to balance the equation. Obviously there's more examples. The exhaust blown diffuser era for example. The FIA tried to limit it to control the ded cows advantage for four years on the trott. Or the double diffuser. They killed that after one year. But they've done little or nothing to try to control the mercs advantage. This era will go down in history as the FIA's biggest failure in their long list of failures. Keep ahold of your beer! They will have bigger failures..... |
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 16, 2020 10:06:16 GMT -8
The history of F1 has been all about one team that pioneered and mastered one or more aspects of the performance package and rode that feature(s) to domination until either the field devised their own versions of that feature(s) or the feature(s) were outlawed by the organizer. Inventive engineers and designers will always READ the regulations and find a new area of performance to attack. my examples are when the technology was outlawed or controlled by F1 to balance the equation. Obviously there's more examples. The exhaust blown diffuser era for example. The FIA tried to limit it to control the ded cows advantage for four years on the trott. Or the double diffuser. They killed that after one year. But they've done little or nothing to try to control the mercs advantage. This era will go down in history as the FIA's biggest failure in their long list of failures. Their failures are brought on by the fact that they're TRYING to control everything. There was a time when the teams had enough latitude to innovate their way out of another teams strangle hold, but the rights holders and the FIA feared the run away cost of free thinking would scare away (or drive out) the big money manufacturers they wanted in the sport. The sad part is the draconian measures they use now have done just that. You would thing with the budget cap in place they could ease up on the regs a bit seeing that the price of going down the wrong path isn't as dear as it used to be, we'll have to wait and see if that becomes a thing. |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 16, 2020 13:16:35 GMT -8
my examples are when the technology was outlawed or controlled by F1 to balance the equation. Obviously there's more examples. The exhaust blown diffuser era for example. The FIA tried to limit it to control the ded cows advantage for four years on the trott. Or the double diffuser. They killed that after one year. But they've done little or nothing to try to control the mercs advantage. This era will go down in history as the FIA's biggest failure in their long list of failures. Their failures are brought on by the fact that they're TRYING to control everything. There was a time when the teams had enough latitude to innovate their way out of another teams strangle hold, but the rights holders and the FIA feared the run away cost of free thinking would scare away (or drive out) the big money manufacturers they wanted in the sport. The sad part is the draconian measures they use now have done just that. You would thing with the budget cap in place they could ease up on the regs a bit seeing that the price of going down the wrong path isn't as dear as it used to be, we'll have to wait and see if that becomes a thing. Between the advantages MB created with the current PU 'formula' we can anoint MB the WCC for the rest of the 2020's as the budget cap insures no one else can catch up without spending far beyond the top Cap figure. |
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 16, 2020 13:48:44 GMT -8
^Liberty is hoping the 2022 regs will be the reset needed to address that, my thinking is Merc has already spent a ton on that design already, rumor has it that Renault certainly has. Anyone that hasn't has to wait until next year to start work now that the FIA has clamped down on 2022 development.
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Post by mikey on Oct 16, 2020 13:51:07 GMT -8
^Liberty is hoping the 2022 regs will be the reset needed to address that, my thinking is Merc has already spent a ton on that design already, rumor has it that Renault certainly has. Anyone that hasn't has to wait until next year to start work now that the FIA has clamped down on 2022 development. Hopefully Ferrari already has too!!! |
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Post by mmi16 on Oct 16, 2020 16:22:17 GMT -8
^Liberty is hoping the 2022 regs will be the reset needed to address that, my thinking is Merc has already spent a ton on that design already, rumor has it that Renault certainly has. Anyone that hasn't has to wait until next year to start work now that the FIA has clamped down on 2022 development. My thinking is that MB has suckered Liberty right to the position it wants so that MB can keep piling up WCC's until it gets tired of winning. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Oct 16, 2020 17:06:45 GMT -8
My thinking is that MB has suckered Liberty right to the position it wants so that MB can keep piling up WCC's until it gets tired of winning. I don't think so. Liberty made MB management a business offer they couldn't refuse. MB can still be a front running team and they can do it for less money. The catch is now FIA/FOM can change the rules whenever they want. No longer needing all the teams to agree. The power to stagnant rules is what has kept MB on the top step just as much as MB race car engineering. |
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Post by jmjgt on Oct 16, 2020 19:05:45 GMT -8
^Liberty is hoping the 2022 regs will be the reset needed to address that, my thinking is Merc has already spent a ton on that design already, rumor has it that Renault certainly has. Anyone that hasn't has to wait until next year to start work now that the FIA has clamped down on 2022 development. My thinking is that MB has suckered Liberty right to the position it wants so that MB can keep piling up WCC's until it gets tired of winning. Liberty isn't naive enough to just get steamrolled by Merc, they made Merc and Ferrari understand that perpetual domination makes the sport worthless. What's the point in being king of the garbage heap. The BIG problem Liberty has right now is Ferrari's threat to veto freezing the engine regs beyond 2022 has already been met with the evil one saying he'd take his four cars and walk if they did, children, children... |
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