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Post by safetycar on Sept 13, 2020 8:21:17 GMT -8
Pure pandemonium.
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Post by Pistola on Sept 13, 2020 10:54:14 GMT -8
Wreckin' ain't racin'.
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Post by Red_Hercules on Sept 13, 2020 13:52:11 GMT -8
Does NASCAR do pace car/safety car restarts better?
Of course, I always thought that "you can't pass before the start/finish line" was a hard rule. So, in that light Bottas didn't do anything wrong. But what do I know, I never raced a day in my life.
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Post by Pistola on Sept 13, 2020 14:04:57 GMT -8
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Post by Pistola on Sept 13, 2020 14:08:01 GMT -8
I don't know the term for the delusion Bottas must be under if he thinks he'll ever have a different strategy to race with.
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Post by wilmywood8455 on Sept 13, 2020 14:15:05 GMT -8
I don't know the term for the delusion Bottas must be under if he thinks he'll ever have a different strategy to race with. Willing ignorance. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 14:30:18 GMT -8
I blame Canada.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 13, 2020 15:02:02 GMT -8
Jesus. Bottas, wtf. Dude just sucks wheel to wheel, whether he's defending or attacking.
He made it sooo easy for Lewis on the first standing restart. It was pathetic. At least make the guy work for it.
If he wanted to defend on the inside, he coulda made life a whole lot tougher for Lewis by taking MUCH more of the middle and only going as far inside as he needed to to keep Lewis from going inside him. That forces Lewis to the left with much less room to maintain minimum speed. Then once you're in the turn you can squeeze him even more to make him back out. But nope. He had his right wheels on the edge of the track. Crazy. Even Lewis probably couldn't believe how easy Bottas made it.
And then he was completely useless on the 2nd one, just getting in everyone's way as usual.
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 13, 2020 15:03:51 GMT -8
Does NASCAR do pace car/safety car restarts better? Of course, I always thought that "you can't pass before the start/finish line" was a hard rule. So, in that light Bottas didn't do anything wrong. But what do I know, I never raced a day in my life. Nah. Bottas did nothing wrong. Those guys were racing before he ever got to the start line. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 13, 2020 15:04:29 GMT -8
Well, there is always Canada. Dunno how I forgot about that. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 13, 2020 15:05:16 GMT -8
I don't know the term for the delusion Bottas must be under if he thinks he'll ever have a different strategy to race with. He's an excellent lapdog, err, wingman. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 13, 2020 15:07:52 GMT -8
Yeah I've been hearing people blaming Kimi, but Kimi held his line iirc. Gasly just jumped into a sandwich, & the outcome was fairly predictable. |
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Post by pushtopass on Sept 13, 2020 15:25:51 GMT -8
Jesus. Bottas, wtf. Dude just sucks wheel to wheel, whether he's defending or attacking. He made it sooo easy for Lewis on the first standing restart. It was pathetic. At least make the guy work for it. If he wanted to defend on the inside, he coulda made life a whole lot tougher for Lewis by taking MUCH more of the middle and only going as far inside as he needed to to keep Lewis from going inside him. That forces Lewis to the left with much less room to maintain minimum speed. Then once you're in the turn you can squeeze him even more to make him back out. But nope. He had his right wheels on the edge of the track. Crazy. Even Lewis probably couldn't believe how easy Bottas made it. And then he was completely useless on the 2nd one, just getting in everyone's way as usual. Norris used that strategy to defend against Perez (?; pink car) after the second restart, IIRC. The pink car was alongside entering T1 and Norris kept to about the middle of the track. It worked. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 13, 2020 15:53:29 GMT -8
Jesus. Bottas, wtf. Dude just sucks wheel to wheel, whether he's defending or attacking. He made it sooo easy for Lewis on the first standing restart. It was pathetic. At least make the guy work for it. If he wanted to defend on the inside, he coulda made life a whole lot tougher for Lewis by taking MUCH more of the middle and only going as far inside as he needed to to keep Lewis from going inside him. That forces Lewis to the left with much less room to maintain minimum speed. Then once you're in the turn you can squeeze him even more to make him back out. But nope. He had his right wheels on the edge of the track. Crazy. Even Lewis probably couldn't believe how easy Bottas made it. And then he was completely useless on the 2nd one, just getting in everyone's way as usual. Norris used that strategy to defend against Perez (?; pink car) after the second restart, IIRC. The pink car was alongside entering T1 and Norris kept to about the middle of the track. It worked. Yeah I think I remember that one. I guarantee there are some other guys on the grid, one that retired from Merc, and one that's coming back next year that look at the shit Bottas does and just shake their heads. |
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Post by Pistola on Sept 13, 2020 16:04:18 GMT -8
Bottas is as docile as a neutered reindeer.
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Post by wayfast on Sept 13, 2020 16:07:35 GMT -8
I don't know the term for the delusion Bottas must be under if he thinks he'll ever have a different strategy to race with. He's an excellent lapdog, err, wingman. Bottas never disappoints. He proves to us every race that he is the #2 driver in that team. The team was probably falling down laughing when he said he wanted a different strategy than Lewis. They should of manned up and told him, "We will give you the tire Lewis says to give you." |
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Post by Sabrina81 on Sept 13, 2020 16:34:40 GMT -8
Well, there is always Canada. Dunno how I forgot about that. Canada had a bad day in F1. |
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Post by Pistola on Sept 13, 2020 16:34:47 GMT -8
The qualifying system is at least in part to blame for race strategies. Mercedes dominates and their goal is to lock out the front row. Doesn't matter with what tire. Unfortunately with the tires used in Q2 being the race tire for the top ten it almost always results in teammates who qualify top ten starting on the same tire and the end result is the fastest strategy is the same for both. Bottas finally said as much that it wasn't a real racing strategy for them or anyone but Mercedes doesn't care. Their goal is a 1-2 finish and that is set in Q2.
I don't know if there is a way to create different strategies that the FIA hasn't thought about. They can play with tire traction and wear until the end of time and it won't do them much good. There is evil in the single supplier system but there is also evil in the qualifying system and the mandate to start on a particular tire.
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Post by overboost on Sept 13, 2020 17:42:15 GMT -8
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Post by mikey on Sept 13, 2020 18:29:25 GMT -8
The qualifying system is at least in part to blame for race strategies. Mercedes dominates and their goal is to lock out the front row. Doesn't matter with what tire. Unfortunately with the tires used in Q2 being the race tire for the top ten it almost always results in teammates who qualify top ten starting on the same tire and the end result is the fastest strategy is the same for both. Bottas finally said as much that it wasn't a real racing strategy for them or anyone but Mercedes doesn't care. Their goal is a 1-2 finish and that is set in Q2. I don't know if there is a way to create different strategies that the FIA hasn't thought about. They can play with tire traction and wear until the end of time and it won't do them much good. There is evil in the single supplier system but there is also evil in the qualifying system and the mandate to start on a particular tire. They could mandate teammates start on different tires but I'm not sure in the end it would make much difference, one Mercedes leads and the other follows and blocks the road from anyone else passing them then they switch tires and Mercedes still comes in 1st and 2nd. Part of the problem is the tires are so close together in grip and time, 0.5 to 1 second isn't alot in the race and means nothing when they 'lift and coast' or pull out of the slip stream to cool their tires and engines anyway. MAYBE if they mandated every car use every type of tire, except the wets of course and even then mandate both types of wet tires in a wet race, but teams would probably just do a single lap to satisfy the rules and move on to the tire of their choice anyway and we'd be right back where we are now just further into the race. |
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8
Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8