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Post by mmi16 on Sept 10, 2020 20:00:10 GMT -8
So why did they push Alonso out? And Schumi? They were trying to re-sign Alonso to a multi-year deal, and he was frustrated and only wanted to sign a one-year deal. Then it all fell apart. But Mattiachi was fired in part because of that failure. Schumi is a little bit more of a puzzler for me. I'm sure they had some kind of a performance reason though. Was he really being such a PITA that they'd fire him just for that? I've never heard that, but maybe y'all have. Thought the 'English' technical team had moved on and they were blaming the poor results on Schumi! |
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 10, 2020 21:26:44 GMT -8
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 10, 2020 21:42:00 GMT -8
So, in no particular order ... Grosjean Magnussen Hulkenberg Perez Giovinazzi? Kvyat? Schumacher Fittipaldi Shwartzman Mazepin Nissany Ilott Lundgaard ? What do y'all think? It'd be cool if they snap up Perez and Hulk ... but it's Haas, so I'm not holding my breath. |
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Post by kingfisher on Sept 10, 2020 22:24:53 GMT -8
They'll never push an elite, highly productive driver out. Ferrari pushed Vettel out because he was making too many mistakes and wasn't producing. So why did they push Alonso out? And Schumi? Hairy already explained Alonso. It was Luca De Montezemolo who pushed forced out Schumi to make room for Raikkonen. He believed after Alonso' form that Schumi was past his sell-by date. Michael did an about-face performance-wise and in Suzuka would have won there if not for an extremely rare engine failure (highly suspect) that put paid to his title push. Schumacher was mounting that drive with the momentum to carry him past Alonso. It was in Brazil where I believe he was relegated down the grid because of an engine replacement, where his spirited drive from so far back despite the fact that he no longer was in contention for the crown, that won him such admiration and accolades for his pure spirit and dedication as a true racer. He proved then and there to Montezemolo et al that he definitely was not past his prime. He then took the sabbatical only to re-emerge at Mercedes because of his ties to them in sportscars, where he endured the lengthy development stages before they finally got the program together with the help of himself and Rosberg. That's about where Michael hung up his helmet and along came Hambone to pick up the jewels....such opportune timing. |
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Post by hairyscotsman on Sept 11, 2020 3:54:04 GMT -8
So why did they push Alonso out? And Schumi? Hairy already explained Alonso. It was Luca De Montezemolo who pushed forced out Schumi to make room for Raikkonen. He believed after Alonso' form that Schumi was past his sell-by date. Michael did an about-face performance-wise and in Suzuka would have won there if not for an extremely rare engine failure (highly suspect) that put paid to his title push. Schumacher was mounting that drive with the momentum to carry him past Alonso. It was in Brazil where I believe he was relegated down the grid because of an engine replacement, where his spirited drive from so far back despite the fact that he no longer was in contention for the crown, that won him such admiration and accolades for his pure spirit and dedication as a true racer. He proved then and there to Montezemolo et al that he definitely was not past his prime. He then took the sabbatical only to re-emerge at Mercedes because of his ties to them in sportscars, where he endured the lengthy development stages before they finally got the program together with the help of himself and Rosberg. That's about where Michael hung up his helmet and along came Hambone to pick up the jewels....such opportune timing. I wonder where Lewis's career would have ended up had Michael stayed at Merc another year or two. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 11, 2020 5:07:24 GMT -8
So why did they push Alonso out? And Schumi? They were trying to re-sign Alonso to a multi-year deal, and he was frustrated and only wanted to sign a one-year deal. Then it all fell apart. But Mattiachi was fired in part because of that failure. Schumi is a little bit more of a puzzler for me. I'm sure they had some kind of a performance reason though (real or perceived). Was he really being such a PITA that they'd fire him just for that, while still at top form? I've never heard that, but maybe y'all have. They dropped Alonso and Schumi for the same reason they dropped Vettel. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 11, 2020 5:08:34 GMT -8
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 11, 2020 5:09:22 GMT -8
So why did they push Alonso out? And Schumi? Hairy already explained Alonso. It was Luca De Montezemolo who pushed forced out Schumi to make room for Raikkonen. He believed after Alonso' form that Schumi was past his sell-by date. Michael did an about-face performance-wise and in Suzuka would have won there if not for an extremely rare engine failure (highly suspect) that put paid to his title push. Schumacher was mounting that drive with the momentum to carry him past Alonso. It was in Brazil where I believe he was relegated down the grid because of an engine replacement, where his spirited drive from so far back despite the fact that he no longer was in contention for the crown, that won him such admiration and accolades for his pure spirit and dedication as a true racer. He proved then and there to Montezemolo et al that he definitely was not past his prime. He then took the sabbatical only to re-emerge at Mercedes because of his ties to them in sportscars, where he endured the lengthy development stages before they finally got the program together with the help of himself and Rosberg. That's about where Michael hung up his helmet and along came Hambone to pick up the jewels....such opportune timing. And the true reason is the same. They dropped Alonso and Schumi for the same reason they dropped Vettel. |
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 11, 2020 5:16:40 GMT -8
So, in no particular order ... Grosjean Magnussen Hulkenberg Perez Giovinazzi? Kvyat? Schumacher Fittipaldi Shwartzman Mazepin Nissany Ilott Lundgaard ? What do y'all think? It'd be cool if they snap up Perez and Hulk ... but it's Haas, so I'm not holding my breath. Perez is a no brainer, my problem with Hulk is he only delivers when motivated. He couldn't keep it up at Renault and they were farther up the grid. Maybe the time off has adjusted his attitude. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 11, 2020 5:22:17 GMT -8
I watched those seasons. I don't need to review them. And like I said, I not talking about Seb 8-10 years ago, so much as Seb in 2018-2020. In some ways Vettel is like Hamilton near the end of the McLaren years. Capable of great racing but sometimes his performances were unexplainable. Correct, and what did take for Hamilton to set himself right? He changed teams. Vettel has just changed teams. His legacy will be defined by these next two years. |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 11, 2020 5:47:27 GMT -8
I watched those seasons. I don't need to review them. And like I said, I'm not talking about Seb 8-10 years ago, so much as Seb in 2018-2020. Okay, from 2018-2002 Vettel took more poles and more wins than every other driver except Bottas and Hamilton. |
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Post by racerman967 on Sept 11, 2020 7:07:31 GMT -8
Ferrari- LeClerc/Sainz
Mercedes-Hamilton/Bottas
Red Bull- Max/Albon
Renault- Alonso/Ocon
Aston- Vettel/Stroll
McLaren-Norris/ Ricciardo
Alpha Tauri-Gasly/Tsunoda
Williams-Russell/Latifi
Alpha- Schumacher/?
Haas- ?/?
These are my expectations. Tsunoda will get the drive as long as he gets his SL due to the Honda Japanese connections. HAAS will make a big push for Perez as the sponsorship will help.
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 11, 2020 8:20:58 GMT -8
I don't think Williams will be keeping both Russell and Latifi. Maybe both might go.
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Post by pushtopass on Sept 11, 2020 8:23:26 GMT -8
I could see Alpha Romeo keeping Kimi. Especially if they bring in a new face like Mick. Giovinazzi is fine but has he really done anything memorable?
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 11, 2020 9:08:36 GMT -8
I don't think Williams will be keeping both Russell and Latifi. Maybe both might go. I could see them keeping Russell for another year for continuity sake. He's the best they're going to get until their form improves. They will have to seriously start thinking about his replacement once Merc calls him home and i'm sure Perez is on the short list, if they can get him next year Latifi is gone. |
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Post by jmjgt on Sept 11, 2020 9:13:27 GMT -8
I could see Alpha Romeo keeping Kimi. Especially if they bring in a new face like Mick. Giovinazzi is fine but has he really done anything memorable? Wrecking that sauber on the front straight in qually for the 2017 Chinese GP was pretty memorable. |
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Post by racerman967 on Sept 11, 2020 9:18:00 GMT -8
Ia gree with the Latifi opinion. Likely The choice for Perez is Williams/HAAS/Alpha. The back 3 on the grid. Don't see Alpha personally. So Williams or HAAS.
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Post by Pistola on Sept 11, 2020 9:45:47 GMT -8
I don't think Williams will be keeping both Russell and Latifi. Maybe both might go. At Williams job 1 is deciding who the decision maker is or will be. I think Russell is under contract until the end of 2021 and has confirmed he will stay. Latifi, I believe, also has a contract FWIW. |
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Post by Pistola on Sept 11, 2020 9:49:30 GMT -8
Hammy and Toto have yet to sign.  |
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Post by Carlo_Carrera on Sept 11, 2020 10:27:31 GMT -8
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
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Korean cable TV is lousy. no more NASCAR nor NHRA
Jul 12, 2024 22:05:14 GMT -8